Mistakes give rise to problems- 7

Algebra Level 4

a b c = a b c \large \displaystyle \dfrac{a}{\frac{b}{c}} = \dfrac{\frac{a}{b}}{c}

The above equation is a common mistake made when interpreting fractions.

How many ordered triplets of integers ( a , b , c ) {(a,b,c)} with 10 a , b , c 10 -10\leq a,b,c \leq 10 are there, such that the above equation is a true statement?


The answer is 1200.

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7 solutions

Tasmeem Reza
Jul 25, 2014

Note that, If any of b , c = 0 b,c=0 , the equations takes an invalid form:- a 0 = a b 0 , \frac{a}{0}=\frac{\frac{a}{b}}{0}, which implies that b , c 0 b,c\neq0

N o w W e d i v i d e i n 2 c a s e s . Now\: We\: divide\: in\: 2\: cases.

C a s e 1 : a = 0 Case\: 1:\: a = 0

If a = 0 , a=0, b b and c c could be any integer from 10 -10 to 10 10 inclusive other than 0 0 . Thus we have 20 20 independent choices for b b , and 20 20 independent choices for c c . which implies there are 20 × 20 = 400 20\times20=400 choices for b b and c c while a = 0 a=0 . . . . C a s e 2 : a 0 Case\: 2:\: a \neq 0

We also know b , c 0 b,c\neq0 .

N o w , Now, a ( b c ) = ( a b ) c \frac{a}{\left (\frac{b}{c} \right )} = \frac{\left ( \frac{a}{b} \right )}{c} a × c = ( b c ) × ( a b ) \Rightarrow a \times c = \left ( \frac{b}{c} \right ) \times \left ( \frac{a}{b} \right ) a × c = a c \Rightarrow a \times c = \frac{a}{c} c 2 = 1 \Rightarrow c^{2} = 1 c = ± 1 \Rightarrow c =\pm 1

Now we have 2 2 choices for c c , 20 20 independent choices for a a and 20 20 independent choices for b b . Thus we get 2 × 20 × 20 = 800 2\times20\times20=800 ordered triplet of integers for a 0 a\neq0

Thus we get a total of 400 + 800 = 1200 400+800=\boxed{1200} ordered triplet of integers while the M i s t a k e \color{#D61F06}{Mistake} is true.

shoot.. I got 1240... i considered 2 \times 21 \times 20 in second case

Vishal Tangadkar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Me too... :-(

Cleres Cupertino - 5 years, 10 months ago

me too made same mist.

Amrit Anand - 5 years, 7 months ago

me too got the same!

Prince Loomba - 5 years, 2 months ago

It's a more interesting problem (in my opinion), if you enforce the condition a<b<c (which is what I mistakenly thought an "ordered triplet" meant when I tried this problem). Using the normal definition, this is just too easy, since it's trivial to find the limiting conditions enumerated above (i.e. either a=0 or c=+/-1, excluding answers with b=0 or c=0).

a=0 case: 45 valid triplets (9 for c=10, 8 for c=9, etc.) c=-1 case: 36 valid triplets (8 for a=-10, 7 for a=-9, etc.) c=+1 case: 45 valid triplets ... this is equivalent to a=0 case, since b=0 is not allowed.

So, given that line of thinking, the correct answer would be 126, correct?

David Moore - 5 years, 8 months ago

I got 1160. I subtracted 40 number of cases when a is 0, c is positive or negative 1 and b can take any 20 values other than 0. So 1x20x2 = 40. I think that they were getting counted twice, so I subtracted once to arrive at 1200-40 = 1160. Please help with the confusion.

Sandeep Kumar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Note that a = 0 a=0 in case 1, and a 0 a\neq0 in case 2. We are not counting the ordered triplets while a = 0 a=0 in case 2. So no triplet is getting over-counted.

tasmeem reza - 6 years, 10 months ago

When c= -1 0r +1, a has 20 independent choices but then value of b is fixed not independent!! Please help me understand.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 10 months ago

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No, the value of b b will be independent as well then (except 0 0 ). And the word "independent" defines that it affects neither the value of c c nor the value of a a

tasmeem reza - 6 years, 10 months ago

This is such a nice solution, really well done. :)

Ivan Sekovanić - 6 years, 10 months ago

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T h a n k Y o u Thank\: You

tasmeem reza - 6 years, 10 months ago

love your explanation....the frasing of the problem could be better....

Yuliya Skripchenko - 6 years, 10 months ago

This sum was very easy to trick many solvers!!!!!Great One!

Anubhab Ghosh - 6 years, 10 months ago

I got it wrong because I thought that a,b,c have to be different!!

Safa Abdejabar - 6 years, 10 months ago

I got it wrong because I thought "ordered triples" following numbers and then it would be only two- -3,-2,-1 and 0,1,2 ...

Shoham Grunblat - 6 years, 10 months ago

I thought ordered meant a, b and c have to be in consecutive order. What is wrong with the word distinct ?

Andreea Stoian - 5 years, 7 months ago

How could i miss zero !!! btw Nice Solution !

Keshav Tiwari - 6 years, 10 months ago

Nice, I didn't realize that last step despite I got 400 and 800.

Shein Phyo - 6 years, 9 months ago

Ah!!i missed that c also cannot be zero

Aakash Khandelwal - 5 years, 11 months ago

In my mind, I had 10 < a , b , c < 10 -10<-a,b,c<10 . Thus, my answer is 3 18 28 = 972 3*18*28=972 which should have been 3 20 20 = 1200 3*20*20=1200 . Same approach though.

Roman Frago - 5 years, 10 months ago

I was thinking if this problem can be converted into a probability problem where we ask-

If we choose any values of a, b and c randomly, what is the probability of getting a solution to this equation if the the LHS and the RHS are not undefined?

I got the answer as 1/7, since there are a total of 8400 possibilities and only 1200 meet our constraints.Am I correct?

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 6 months ago

Damn, didn't consider case 1, being too hasty is never good

omar el amrani - 5 years, 5 months ago

Could not a=b=c be considered? Naturally different from zero

Federico Martin - 5 years, 3 months ago

i got 840.. i forgot to see that when a = 0 then c being +-1 is not compulsory.. :-P anyway, great solution. explained well.

Yash Mehan - 5 years, 1 month ago
Aditya Raut
Jul 25, 2014

Note that the problem is asking for number of solutions of a c b = a b c \dfrac{ac}{b} = \dfrac{a}{bc} .

In this form, as b b is in denominator, it can be any nonzero number, so it has 20 20 choices.

Now the problem is just reduced to number of solutions of a c = a c \dfrac{a}{c} = ac .

Note that here a = 0 a=0 is a solution, giving 20 20 pairs ( a , c ) (a,c) because c 0 c\neq 0 .

If a a is non-zero, it has 20 choices, then c c can have values only 1 -1 and 1 1 , hence this gives 40 40 ordered pairs ( a , c ) (a,c) .

Thus we have total 60 60 pairs of ( a , c ) (a,c) and b has 20 choices, giving 60 × 20 = 1200 60\times 20 = \boxed{1200} ordered triples ( a , b , c ) \color{#3D99F6}{(a,b,c)}

I've noticed that you like colours, good!

Christopher Boo - 6 years, 10 months ago

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True!! I try to make things colorful because most of the times, we have things in black on brilliant,

Y O U R E \color{#624F41}{Y}\color{darkred}{O}\color{#D61F06}{U}\color{#EC7300}{'R}\color{limegreen}{E} R I G H T ! ! ! ! ! \color{#20A900}{R}\color{#3D99F6}{I}\color{#3D99F6}{G}\color{#69047E}{H}\color{#BA33D6}{T}\color{#D61F06}{!!!!!}

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 10 months ago

Shouldn't ordered triplets mean a<=b<=c?

Bihag Bhatt - 5 years, 5 months ago

a c b = a b c \displaystyle \frac{ac}{b} = \frac{a}{bc}

a b c 2 = a b \displaystyle abc^{2} = ab

b b can't be 0 0 , so it has 20 20 choices.

a c 2 = a \displaystyle ac^{2} = a

a ( c 2 1 ) = 0 \displaystyle a(c^{2} - 1) = 0

If a = 0 ; c = 10 , 9 , . . . , 2 , 1 , 1 , 2... , 9 , 10 \displaystyle a = 0; c = -10,-9,...,-2,-1,1,2...,9,10 (20 pairs)

If c = 1 , 1 ; a = 10 , 9 , . . . , 2 , 1 , 1 , 2 , . . . , 9 , 10 \displaystyle c = 1,-1; a = -10,-9,...,-2,-1,1,2,...,9,10 (40 pairs not overcount a = 0 a = 0 )

Therefore, the number of solutions = 20 ( 20 + 40 ) = 1200 = 20(20+40) = 1200 . ~

The most complete and straight forward solution.

Lokesh Sharma - 6 years, 10 months ago
William Chau
Aug 4, 2014

To have the quantities defined, we must have b and c <> 0. Now,

ac/b = a/(bc),

(a/b)(c-1/c) = 0,

a = 0 or c = +/-1.

There are two cases to consider.

(i) b <> 0, c = +/-1.

There are 21-1 = 20 choices for b, 2 choices for c, and 21 choices for a for a total of 20 * 2 * 21 choices.

(ii) b <> 0, c <> 0, +/-1, and a = 0.

There are 21-1 = 20 choices for b, 21-3 = 18 choices for c, and 1 choice for a for a total of 20 * 18 * 1 choices.

In all, there are 20 * 2 * 21+20 * 18 * 1 = 20(42+18) = 1200 choices.

Zach Bian
Aug 25, 2016

Brute force approach O ( n 3 ) O(n^3) :

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counter = 0
for a in range(-10, 11):
    for b in range(-10, 11):
        for c in range(-10, 11):
            try:
                if a/(b/c) == (a/b)/c:
                    counter += 1
            except ZeroDivisionError:
                continue
print(counter)

Hey nice code.

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 2 weeks ago
Lu Chee Ket
Nov 2, 2015

IF (b <> 0) AND (c <> 0) AND (a/ (b/ c) = a/ b/ c) THEN INC (count);

Scientific approach tells that there are 1200 of them for -10 to 10 of a, b and c.

Basically, when (c = 1) OR (c = -1) OR (a = 0), it shall count.

Answer: 1200

Umang Garg
Jun 11, 2016

Venn diagram is the best for these questions

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