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Algebra Level 4

Functions f : N R , g : N R f: \mathbb N \to \mathbb R,\ g: \mathbb N \to \mathbb R are such that

{ f ( n + 1 ) = f ( n ) cos ( g ( n ) ) g ( n ) sin ( g ( n ) ) g ( n + 1 ) = f ( n ) sin ( g ( n ) ) + g ( n ) cos ( g ( n ) ) \begin{cases} f(n+1)=f(n)\cos(g(n))-g(n)\sin(g(n)) \\ g(n+1)=f(n)\sin(g(n))+g(n)\cos(g(n)) \end{cases}

If f ( 1 ) = 0.8 f(1)=0.8 and g ( 1 ) = 0.6 g(1)=0.6 , find the value of lim n f ( n ) \displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty} f(n) .

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1 solution

Mark Hennings
Apr 15, 2020

Since f ( n + 1 ) 2 + g ( n + 1 ) 2 = f ( n ) 2 + g ( n ) 2 f(n+1)^2 + g(n+1)^2 \; = \; f(n)^2 + g(n)^2 for all n 1 n \ge 1 , we deduce by induction that f ( n ) 2 + g ( n ) 2 = 1 f(n)^2 + g(n)^2 \; = \; 1 for all n 1 n \ge 1 , and hence we can find a function X : N R X \,:\, \mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{R} such that f ( n ) = cos ( X ( n ) ) g ( n ) = sin ( X ( n ) ) n N f(n) \; = \; \cos(X(n)) \hspace{1cm} g(n) \; = \; \sin(X(n)) \hspace{2cm} n \in \mathbb{N} The defining conditions for f f and g g now tell us that cos ( X ( n + 1 ) ) = cos ( X ( n ) + g ( n ) ) sin ( X ( n + 1 ) ) = sin ( X ( n ) + g ( n ) ) n N \cos(X(n+1)) \; = \; \cos\big(X(n) + g(n)\big) \hspace{2cm} \sin(X(n+1)) \; = \; \sin\big(X(n) + g(n)\big) \hspace{2cm} n \in \mathbb{N} and hence we deduce that X ( n + 1 ) = X ( n ) + g ( n ) + 2 k ( n ) π = X ( n ) + sin ( X ( n ) ) + 2 k ( n ) π n N X(n+1) \; = \; X(n) + g(n) + 2k(n)\pi \; = \; X(n) + \sin(X(n)) + 2k(n)\pi \hspace{2cm} n \in \mathbb{N} for some integers k ( n ) k(n) . Since the values of k ( n ) k(n) do not affect the values of f ( n ) f(n) and g ( n ) g(n) , we may as well assume that k ( n ) = 0 k(n) = 0 for all n n , so that X ( n + 1 ) = X ( n ) + sin ( X ( n ) ) n N X(n+1) \; = \; X(n) + \sin(X(n)) \hspace{2cm} n \in \mathbb{N} Now the function F : [ 0 , π ] R F\,:\, [0,\pi] \to \mathbb{R} defined by F ( x ) = x + sin x F(x) = x + \sin x is continuous and strictly increasing, with F ( 0 ) = 0 F(0)=0 and F ( π ) = π F(\pi)=\pi . Thus 0 < X ( n ) < π 0 < X ( n + 1 ) = F ( X ( n ) ) < π 0 < X(n) < \pi\;\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\;0 < X(n+1) = F(X(n)) < \pi Also, since sin ( X ( n ) ) > 0 \sin(X(n)) > 0 , we see that X ( n ) < X ( n + 1 ) X(n) < X(n+1) . Thus we deduce that the sequence ( X ( n ) ) n 1 \big(X(n)\big)_{n \ge 1} is strictly increasing, with 0 < X ( n ) < π 0 < X(n) < \pi for all n 1 n \ge 1 . Thus Z = lim n X ( n ) Z = \lim_{n \to \infty}X(n) exists, with 0 < Z π 0 < Z \le \pi . Since F F is continuous and X ( n + 1 ) = F ( X ( n ) ) X(n+1) = F(X(n)) for all n 1 n\ge 1 , we deduce that Z = F ( Z ) Z = F(Z) , so that sin Z = 0 \sin Z = 0 , and hence Z = π Z = \pi . Hence lim n f ( n ) = cos ( lim n X ( n ) ) = cos Z = 1 \lim_{n \to \infty}f(n) \,=\, \cos\big(\lim_{n \to \infty}X(n)\big) \,=\, \cos Z = \boxed{-1}

Nice solution but I am getting my answer zero by my method. I let limit x=>infinity f(x)=k And of g(x)=l k=limit x=>infinity f(x+1) Similarly for g

And I deduce k^2=-l^2 =>k=l=0 Where am I wrong?

Saksham Jain - 1 year, 1 month ago

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I'm not sure what how your final deduction goes. If you just let n n \to \infty you get k = k cos sin = k sin + cos \begin{aligned} k & = \; k\cos\ell - \ell\sin\ell \\ \ell & = \; k\sin\ell + \ell\cos\ell \end{aligned} Squaring and adding gives k 2 + 2 = k 2 + 2 k^2 + \ell^2 = k^2 +\ell^2 , which is fine, but unhelpful...

Mark Hennings - 1 year, 1 month ago

k(1-cos l)=-l sin l 1-cos l =2 sin^2(l/2) sin l=2 sin l/2 cos l/2 cancelling sin l/2 and similarly in equation 2

Saksham Jain - 1 year, 1 month ago

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The problem , given that you have equations like k = cot 1 2 k = \ell\cot\tfrac12\ell , is that = 0 \ell=0 , and so you cannot evaluate cot 1 2 \cot\tfrac12\ell .

Mark Hennings - 1 year, 1 month ago

l=0 ?? assuming l!=0

Saksham Jain - 1 year, 1 month ago

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No; you obtain the identity k sin 1 2 = cos 1 2 k\sin\tfrac12\ell = \ell\cos\tfrac12\ell . Since (in fact) = 0 \ell=0 , this identity tells you nothing, since it just tells you that 0 = 0 0=0 .

Mark Hennings - 1 year, 1 month ago

oh! ok now i found it out

Saksham Jain - 1 year, 1 month ago

The norm of the initial vector is 1. Rotating it over an angle g(n) can't change the norm. Therefore the option zero is impossible.

Kris Hauchecorne - 1 year ago

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