More Wrecked Angles

Geometry Level 3

In the diagram above, ABCD and PQRS are both rectangles. Points P , Q , R , and S lie on segments A B \overline{AB} , B C \overline{BC} , C D \overline{CD} , and D A \overline{DA} , respectively, and B Q < Q C \overline{BQ} < \overline{QC} .

If A B = 36 AB=36 and B C = 50 BC=50 , then the maximum possible value of B Q BQ can be written in the form a b a-\sqrt{b} , where a , b N a,b \in \mathbb{N} . What is a + b a+b ?


The answer is 326.

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L e t Q E A D w i t h E o n A D . Let BQ=SD=AE=X. BQ increases as diagonal QS decreases. But diagonal PR 50. But diagonals of a rectangle are equal (and bisect one another). m i n i m u m Q S 50. So from the sketch, Q S 2 = Q E 2 + E S 2 5 0 2 = 3 6 2 + ( 50 2 X ) 2 . X = 1 2 { 50 5 0 2 3 6 2 } . = a b . a + b = 326 Let~QE \perp AD ~with~ E~ on~ AD.~\\\text{Let BQ=SD=AE=X.}\\\text {BQ increases as diagonal QS decreases. But diagonal PR } \nless 50.\\ \text {But diagonals of a rectangle are equal (and bisect one another).}\\\implies ~minimum~ QS \nless 50. ~\text{So from the sketch, } ~QS^2=QE^2 + ES^2\\\implies~50^2=36^2 + (50 - 2X)^2.~~~\therefore~X=\dfrac 1 2 \{50-\sqrt{50^2-36^2} \}.\\=a-\sqrt b. ~\therefore~a+b= \Large \color{#D61F06}{326}

Tim Cieplowski
May 27, 2015

The centroids of the rectangles are concurrent (Why?) - call this point O. Since PQRS is a rectangle, its diagonals are congruent, bisect eachother, and intersect at O. The length of half a diagonal OQ decreases when the length of BQ increases. Since OQ=OP and P is on AB, the shortest OP can be is 25, We investigate this case: consider the right triangle with two vertices Q and O and with one leg including Q parallel to AB. The leg parallel to BC would have length \sqrt{301}, so the length of BQ is 25 - \sqrt{301}.

Moderator note:

Great analysis! A simple argument which shows that the minimum occurs when P is the midpoint of AB.

Another simple argument would be to draw a circle centered at the center of ABCD that intersects ABCD in 4 places, PQRS, which will always form a rectangle. Then maximum BQ would occur with the smallest radius this circle can have, which would be if P and R are midpoints of AB and CD.

Michael Mendrin - 6 years ago

Helpful way to think of this is you have a circle centered at the center of the rectangle and PQRS are its intersections with the rectangle. With a little thought BQ=25-SQRT(r^2-18^2) where r is the radius of this circle. The minimum value of r is half the length of the rectangle from A to D if it is to intersect all 4 sides. So the max value of this happens when r=25 and from that we get 25-sqrt(301)

John Gilling
May 27, 2015

Write P = ( 0 , y ) , Q = ( x , 36 ) , R = ( 50 , 36 y ) , S = ( 50 x , 0 ) P = (0,y), Q = (x, 36), R = (50, 36-y), S = (50-x, 0) . For P Q R S PQRS to be a rectangle, we must have slope ( P Q ) (PQ) \cdot slope ( Q R ) = 1 (QR) = -1 . Thus, 1 = 36 y x y x 50 = 36 y y 2 x 2 50 x , -1 = \frac{36-y}{x} \cdot \frac{y}{x-50} = \frac{36y-y^2}{x^2 - 50x}, and so, y 2 36 y = x 2 50 x y^2 - 36y = x^2-50x ( y 18 ) 2 = ( x 25 ) 2 301 (y - 18)^2 = (x-25)^2 -301 y = 18 ± ( x 25 ) 2 301 . y = 18 \pm \sqrt{(x-25)^2 - 301}. So, if ( x , y ) R 2 (x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2 , we must have ( x 25 ) 2 301 0 (x-25)^2 - 301 \geq 0 , or x 25 301 . \lvert x-25\rvert \geq \sqrt{301}.

Finally, B Q < Q C x < 25 BQ < QC \implies x < 25 , so x 25 = 25 x \lvert x-25\rvert = 25 - x , and B Q = x 25 301 . BQ = x \leq 25 - \sqrt{301}.

Moderator note:

Having worked through to obtain the answer, is there any insight that you can gleam from your work to find a better explanation?

Hint: In the ideal case, where does point P lie? Why?

it lies midway AB.

Aditya Gupta - 1 year, 10 months ago

x=25 - SQRT(301), A + B= 25 +301=326

Ujjwal Rane
Jul 31, 2016

Sorry, spent a lot of time, trying to load an image on Imgur​ and get the link to embed it here. But it just did not work. Is there some other way of doing it?

Let (f : 1-f) be the ratio in which P divides AB. This will be repeated by point R on the opposite side CD as (1-f : f). By symmetry, the midpoint of PR always remains at the center (O) of ABCD.

Now, if we use these pairs of points P & R as the diameter for various values of f, we will get a family of concentric circles that intersect BC at points Q. And smaller the circle gets further Q will be from B.

The smallest circle is had (or the closest P & R get) is when P & R are midpoints of AB and CD respectively. This gives radius = OQ = 25 and B Q = 25 2 5 2 1 8 2 BQ = 25 - \sqrt{25^2 - 18^2}

Hence a = 25, b = 301 and a + b = 326 \textbf a + b = 326

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