Muhammad's Tri-onacci subsequence

Algebra Level 3

The Fibonacci sequence is defined by F 1 = 1 , F 2 = 1 F_1 = 1, F_2 = 1 and F n + 2 = F n + 1 + F n F_{n+2} = F_{n+1} + F_{n} for n 1 n \geq 1 . Consider the sequence of every 3rd Fibonacci number, i.e. G n = F 3 n G_n = F_{3n} . There are constants a a and b b such that G n = a G n 1 + b G n 2 G_n = a G_{n - 1} + b G_{n - 2} for every integer n 2 n\geq 2 . What is a + b a + b ?

This problem is posed by Muhammad A.


The answer is 5.

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18 solutions

Matt McNabb
Jul 23, 2013

For any n n we can use the recurrence relation for F to find:

F n + 2 = F n + F n + 1 F_{n+2} = F_{n} + F_{n+1}

F n + 3 = F n + 2 F n + 1 F_{n+3} = F_{n} + 2F_{n+1}

F n + 4 = 2 F n + 3 F n + 1 F_{n+4} = 2F_{n} + 3F_{n+1}

F n + 5 = 3 F n + 5 F n + 1 F_{n+5} = 3F_{n} + 5F_{n+1}

F n + 6 = 5 F n + 8 F n + 1 F_{n+6} = 5F_{n} + 8F_{n+1}

Inspecting this list, we see that F n + 6 = 4 F n + 3 + F n F_{n+6} = 4F_{n+3} + F_{n}

so the required coefficients are 4 4 and 1 1 .

Moderator note:

Nicely done!

Jan J.
Jul 22, 2013

The recurrence given is equivalent to $$F {3n} = F {3n - 3} + F {3n - 6}$$ so we have $$F 6 = aF 3 + bF 0$$ $$F 9 = aF 6 + bF_3$$ i.e. $$8 = a\cdot 2 + b \cdot 0$$ $$34 = a\cdot 8 + b \cdot 2$$ Solving this system of linear equations yields a = 4 a = 4 , b = 1 b = 1 , so $$a + b = \boxed{5}$$

Debjit Mandal
Jul 24, 2013

We know that, a a and b b are constants, so for any value of G N G_{N} , the values of a a and b b will be same.
Here G n G_{n} = F 3 n F_{3n} , G n 1 G_{n-1} = F 3 n 3 F_{3n-3} , G n 2 G_{n-2} = F 3 n 6 F_{3n-6}
When, n n = 3 3 , then,
F 9 F_{9} = a a F 6 F_{6} + b b F 3 F_{3} = 34 34 [ We can easily count F 9 F_{9} = 34 34 ]
8 8 a a + 2 2 b b = 34 34 ....................(1)
When, n n = 4 4 , then,
F 12 F_{12} = a a F 9 F_{9} + b b F 6 F_{6} = 144 144 [ We can easily count F 12 F_{12} = 144 144 ]
34 34 a a + 8 8 b b = 144 144 ....................(2)
By solving the equation (1) and (2), we shall get a a = 4 4 and b b = 1 1
So, a a + b b = 4 4 + 1 1 = 5 5 [ ANSWER ]




This is not the way to solve it. Suppose it is not given if a and b are constants then how do you know that your scheme works? Mathematics needs general proofs.

Snehal Shekatkar - 7 years, 10 months ago
Sean Elliott
Jul 23, 2013

A quick solution is to write out part of G G ; we get 0 , 2 , 8 , 34 , 144 , 0,2,8,34,144,\cdots We know 8 8 must equal 2 a + 0 b 2a+0b , so a = 4 a=4

We now know that 34 = 4 × 8 + 2 b = 32 + 2 b b = 1 34=4\times8+2b=32+2b \rightarrow b=1 , thus a + b = 4 + 1 = 5 a+b=4+1=\boxed{5}

A more elegant solution uses what we know about F n F_n and G n G_n . We can create an equation G n = F 3 n = F 3 n 1 + F 3 n 2 G_n=F_{3n}=F_{3n-1}+F_{3n-2} . Thus, G n 1 = F 3 n 4 + F 3 n 5 G_{n-1}=F_{3n-4}+F_{3n-5} and G n 2 = F 3 n 7 + F 3 n 8 G_{n-2}=F_{3n-7}+F_{3n-8} . Next we can simplify G n G_n recursively into F 3 n 7 + F 3 n 7 + + F 3 n 7 21 + F 3 n 8 + F 3 n 8 + + F 3 n 8 13 \underbrace{F_{3n-7}+F_{3n-7}+\cdots+F_{3n-7}}_{21}+\underbrace{F_{3n-8}+F_{3n-8}+\cdots+F_{3n-8}}_{13} and G n 1 G_{n-1} into F 3 n 7 + F 3 n 7 + + F 3 n 7 5 + F 3 n 8 + F 3 n 8 + F 3 n 8 3 \underbrace{F_{3n-7}+F_{3n-7}+\cdots+F_{3n-7}}_5 +\underbrace{F_{3n-8}+F_{3n-8}+F_{3n-8}}_3 So we need a a and b b so that 21 = 5 a + b 21=5a+b and 13 = 3 a + b 13= 3a+b

Linear combination gives a = 4 , b = 1 a + b = 4 + 1 = 5 a=4,b=1 \rightarrow a+b=4+1=\boxed{5}

Moderator note:

Any thoughts on how to generalize this problem? If G n = F k n G_n = F_{kn} for some constant k k , are 2 variables sufficient?

Ivan Sekovanić
Jul 22, 2013

Let us take a look at the first 12 12 numbers of the Fibonacci sequence

a n = 1 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 5 , 8 , 13 , 21 , 34 , 55 , 89 , 144 a_n=1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144\ldots

The third numbers in this segment of the sequence are 2 , 8 , 34 , 144 2,8,34,144 .

According to the problem, G n = a G n 1 + b G n 2 G_{n}=aG_{n-1}+bG_{n-2} .

Using the "third" numbers we listed above we get the system

{ 8 a + 2 b = 34 34 a + 8 b = 144 \left\{ \begin{array}{l l} 8a+2b=34 & \quad \\ 34a+8b=144 & \quad \end{array} \right.

By solving it, we find that a = 4 a=4 and b = 1 b=1 , therefore

a + b = 5 a+b=5 .

Mircea Digulescu
Jul 22, 2013

Since we know the constants exists, we can just write the equation for the particular cases G3 and G2 (we have a system of two liner equations with two unknowns). It easily follows a = 4 and b = 1.

D Venkatesh
Jul 22, 2013

f(3n) =f(3n-1)+f(3n-2) =f(3n-2)+f(3n-3)+f(3n-3)+f(3n-4) =f(3n-3)+2 (f(3n-4)+f(3n-4))+f(3n-5)+f(3n-5)+f(3n-6) reordering them =f(3n-3)+(f(3n-4)+f(3n-5)) 3+f(3n-6) =4*f(3n-3)+f(3n-6)

Moderator note:

Great approach! You proved that the formula must hold and provided an explanation for it.

Steven Yang
Jul 28, 2013

After listing out all Fibonacci numbers up to F 15 F_{15} , we can consequentially determine G 2 , G 3 , G 4 , G_2, G_3, G_4, and G 5 G_5 .

G 2 = F 6 = 8 G_2 = F_6 = 8 G 3 = F 9 = 34 G_3 = F_9 = 34 G 4 = F 12 = 144 G_4 = F_{12} = 144 G 5 = F 15 = 610 G_5 = F_{15} = 610

Given the definition of G n G_n , we can establish two equations:

G 4 = 144 = 34 a + 8 b G_4 = 144 = 34a + 8b G 5 = 610 = 144 a + 34 b G_5 = 610 = 144a + 34b

Solving for a a and b b , we get 4 and 1, respectively. Thus a + b = 4 + 1 = 5 a + b = 4 + 1 = 5 .

Ankush Kawalkar
Jul 25, 2013

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34 34=a(8)+b(2)

Daniel Vacaru
Jul 23, 2013

G 0 = 0, G 1 = 2, G 2 = 8, G 3 = 34. Then 8 = a * 2 + b* 0, and that impose a = 4. Therefore 34 = 4 * 8 + b * 2. One obtain b = 1. Then a + b = 4 + 1 = 5.

A L
Jul 23, 2013

F 3 n + 6 = a F 3 n + 3 + b F 3 n F_{3n+6}=aF_{3n+3}+bF_{3n} F 3 n + 6 = F 3 n + 5 + F 3 n + 4 = F 3 n + 4 + F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 2 F_{3n+6}=F_{3n+5}+F_{3n+4}=F_{3n+4}+F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+2} = F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 2 + F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 1 + F 3 n =F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+2}+F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+1}+F_{3n} = 3 F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n + 2 + F 3 n + 1 + F 3 n =3F_{3n+3}+F_{3n+2}+F_{3n+1}+F_{3n} = 4 F 3 n + 3 + F 3 n =4F_{3n+3}+F_{3n}

John Chaddock
Jul 22, 2013

From the definition of the Fibbonacci sequence:

F 3 n = a F 3 ( n 1 ) + b F 3 ( n 2 ) F_{3n}=aF_{3(n-1)}+bF_{3(n-2)} for all n 2 n\geq2

Let n = 2 n=2 :

F 6 = a F 3 + b F 0 F_{6}=aF_{3}+bF_{0}

F 6 = 8 , F 3 = 2 , F 0 = 0 F_{6}=8,F_{3}=2,F_{0}=0

8 = 2 a + 0 b 8=2a+0b

a = 4 a=4

Let n = 3 n=3 :

F 9 = 4 F 6 + b F 3 F_{9}=4F_{6}+bF_{3}

F 9 = 34 , F 6 = 8 , F 3 = 2 F_{9}=34,F_{6}=8,F_{3}=2

34 = 4 8 + 2 b 34=4*8+2b

2 b = 2 2b=2

b = 1 b=1

a + b = 4 + 1 = 5 a+b=4+1=5

Deepansh Mathur
Jul 22, 2013

G0 = F0 = 0,
G1 = F3 = 1, G2 = F6 = 5, G3 = F9 = 21 and so on... so we get G sequence as 0, 1, 5, 21, 89... now for n >= 2, from the given equation, G2 = aG1 + bG0 = 5 , G3 = aG2 + bG1 = 21 , G4 = aG3 + bG2 = 89 , we can see a pattern here like 5 = 4(1) + 1 , 21 = 4(5) + 1(1) , 89 = 4(21) + 1(5) , comparing this with the previous equations, we get a=4 and b=1

Harish Rimco
Jul 22, 2013

F(3n)=F(3n-1)+F(3n-2)

G(n)=F(3n-2)+F(3n-3)+F(3n-3)+F(3n-4)

G(n)=F(3n-3)+F(3n-4)+2xF(3n-3)+F(3n-4)

G(n)=3xF(3n-3)+2xF(3n-4)

G(n)=3xG(n-1)+2x[F(3n-5)+F(3n-6)]

G(n)=3xG(n-1)+F(3n-4)+F(3n-5)+F(3n-5)+F(3n-6)+F(3n-6)-F(3n-4)

G(n)=3xG(n-1)+F(3n-3)+F(3n-6)

G(n)=4xG(n-1)+G(n-2)

Hence a+b is 5

Minh Hạ
Jul 22, 2013

First, we have G(0) = 0; G(1) = 2; G(2) = 8; G(3) = 34; G(4) = 144 .... Then, we can predict that G(n+2) = G(n+1) + 4.G(n) I think it's easy to prove this equation by inductive method.

Jordi Bosch
Jul 22, 2013

Since we know that Gn = a(Gn-1) + b(Gn-2) we can express this as a sistem of two linear equations. They will be: 34(which is the 9th number of the Fibonacci sequence) = 8a(8 is equal than the 6th number of the Fibonacci sequence) + 2b(2 is equal than the 3th number of the Fibonacci sequence). We can do the same for higher numbers in Fibonacci sequence and we will get that: 144(12th number) = 34a(9th number) + 8b(6th number). Solving this linear equations we get: a = 4 and b = 1. And so, a + b = 5 SOLVED

Marina Lauren
Jul 22, 2013

G1=f3=2, G2=f6=8, G3=f9=34=8a+2b, G4=f12=144=34a+8b. From the first and second equation we get a=4 and b=1. So, a+b=5

Takeda Shigenori
Jul 21, 2013

G0=0, G1=2, G2=8, G3=34. G2=aG0+bG1, 8=2b. G3=aG1+bG2, 34=2a+8b. Solving the simultaneous equations, a=1, b=4, a+b=5.

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