Mythological thunderbolts

According to the legend, Zeus, the king of ancient Greek gods, had the power to create thunderbolts in his hands and throw them at his opponents. Suppose Zeus creates the thunderbolts by bringing his palms very close together and parallel to each other and then inducing equal but opposite charge at each of them. What magnitude charge does he have to induce in nC on each palm for this to be possible?

Details and assumptions

  • Zeus' hands are in air, which has approximately the same dielectric permittivity as vacuum.
  • Zeus' palms can be modeled as rectangular, with the sides 20 cm 20~\mbox{cm} and 15 cm 15~\mbox{cm} .
  • The threshold for air ionization is E = 3 × 1 0 6 V/m E = 3 \times 10^6~\mbox{V/m}


The answer is 796.5.

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6 solutions

Jamie Coombes
May 20, 2014

For this problem we can model Zeus' hands as a parallel plate capacitor where the plates are 'very close together'.

The Capacitance of a capacitor is defined as the charge per unit voltage. C = q V C = \frac{q}{V} . This can be rearranged to give q = C V q = CV . If we can find the capacitance and potential difference across this capacitor then we can find the charge induced.

To find the capacitance, we can use the approximation C ϵ r ϵ 0 A d C \approx \epsilon_r \epsilon_0 \frac{A}{d} where C is capacitance; A is the area of the plates; d is the distance between the plates. ϵ 0 \epsilon_0 is the constant permittivity of a vacuum and ϵ r \epsilon_r is the relative static permittivity. Here, ϵ r \epsilon_r is just one. Note that this approximation only works because the field is assumed to be uniform since Zeus' hands are close together.

Converting the length and width of Zeus' hands from centimeters to meters and plugging the numbers in, we obtain

C = 1 × 8.854 × 1 0 12 × 0.15 × 0.2 d C = 1 \times 8.854 \times 10^{-12} \times \frac{0.15 \times 0.2}{d}

C = 2.6562 × 1 0 13 d C = \frac{2.6562 × 10^{-13}}{d}

Since we do not know the distance between the plates we can not obtain a numerical value for capacitance. As we shall see, this problem resolves itself.

Next we find the voltage required to ionize air and hence create lightning. The Electric field strength required is given in the question in volts per metre and if we once again assume a uniform field, the voltage is given by E = V / d E = V/d or V = E d V = Ed

V = 3 × 1 0 6 d V = 3 \times 10^6 d

Returning to our original equation:

q = C V q = CV

q = 2.6562 × 1 0 13 d × 3 × 1 0 6 d q = \frac{2.6562 × 10^{-13}}{d} \times 3 \times 10^6 d

The distance cancels to give the required answer.

Benjamin Cottle
May 20, 2014

Zeus' hands can be modelled as two parallel conductive plates separated by a dielectric (air) with permittivity ε 0 ε_0

Dielectric permittivity ε 0 = 8.854187817 × 1 0 12 ε_0 = 8.854187817 \times 10^{-12} farads per meter

Area of the plates= 0.2m × \times 0.15m = 0.03 m 2 m^2

The threshold for air ionisation is E = 3 × 1 0 6 V / m E = 3 \times 10^6 V/m

E = Electric field strength V = Potential difference d = Distance between the plates Q = Charge ε 0 ε_0 = Dielectric permittivity A = Area of the plates

E = V/d

Q = C.V

C = ε 0 ε_0 .A/d

Therefore

Q = ε 0 ε_0 *A/d * E * d

Q = ε 0 ε_0 * A * E

Q = 8.854187817 × 1 0 12 0.03 3 × 1 0 6 8.854187817 \times 10^{-12} * 0.03 * 3 \times 10^6

Q = 797 nC

Thomas Beuman
May 20, 2014

If the distance between Zeus's hands is much smaller than the hands themselves, then we effectively have a capacitor. Assuming that the charges are uniformly distributed over the hands / plates, the electric field between the plates is constant, with a magnitude of

E = σ ϵ |E| = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon} ,

where σ \sigma and σ -\sigma are the surface charge densities of the plates and ϵ \epsilon is the permittivity of the air. The surface charge density is simply

σ = ρ A \sigma = \frac{\rho}{A} ,

where ρ \rho is the total charge and A A is the area of each plate. For the given required value of E E , we can thus work out what ρ \rho needs to be:

ρ = σ A = ϵ E A \rho = \sigma A = \epsilon E A .

With ϵ ϵ 0 = 8.85 1 0 12 C / ( V m ) \epsilon \approx \epsilon_0 = 8.85 \cdot 10^{-12}\ \mathrm{C/(Vm)} , E = 3 1 0 6 V / m E = 3 \cdot 10^6\ \mathrm{V/m} and A = 20 c m × 15 c m = 0.03 m 2 A = 20\ \mathrm{cm} \times 15\ \mathrm{cm} = 0.03\ \mathrm{m^2} , we compute

ρ = 7.97 1 0 7 C = 797 n C \rho = 7.97 \cdot 10^{-7}\ \mathrm{C} = 797\ \mathrm{nC} .

Nishanth Hegde
May 20, 2014

Treat Zeus's palms as a parallel plate capacitor. Let c c be the capacitance, potential difference across the plates to be v v Volts. Distance between the plates be d d and area of the plates be A A . From the given values of length and breadth of Zeus's palms we find area A A to be 0.03 0.03 . We have the equations c = ϵ o A d c = \frac{\epsilon_{o}A}{d} and c = q v c = \frac{q}{v} where q q is the charge to be induced on the plates. Rearranging for q q and plugging in given values and taking v d \frac{v}{d} as E = 3 × 1 0 6 V / m E = 3 \times 10^{6} V/m we get q = 796.5 n C q = 796.5 nC .

Abhinav Tushar
May 20, 2014

The problem can be solved by considering the hands of Zeus as the plates of a parallel plate capacitor and then using the following formula which basically defines the Capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor :

ϵ × a d = q v \frac {\epsilon \times a}{d} = \frac {q}{v}

Here ϵ \epsilon is the permittivity of medium, a a is the area of the parallel plates, d d is the distance between the plates, q q is the charge on each plate and v v is the potential difference between the plates.

Now, considering the situation, ϵ \epsilon is the permittivity of free space ( around 8.854 × 1 0 12 8.854 \times 10^{-12} , in SI units ) and the area ( a a ) is 20 × 15 × 1 0 4 20 \times 15 \times 10^{-4} , in SI units. The electric field required to break down air is given in question to be 3 × 1 0 6 3 \times 10^6 , in SI units. This electric field will be generated due to the potential difference working between those plates and thus, E = v d E = \frac {v}{d} . Solving for q q , we get the final answer.

David Mattingly Staff
May 13, 2014

If Zeus induces equal but opposite charge on his parallel palms, he essentially makes a parallel plate capacitor. Once the electric field inside this capacitor reaches the threshold value, air becomes ionized and sparks occur which lead to thunderbolts.

Electric field inside the parallel plate capacitor is given by E = σ ϵ 0 = q A ϵ 0 E = \frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0} = \frac{q}{A\epsilon_0} . Since the palms are rectangular, A = a b = 0.03 m 2 A = a b = 0.03~\mbox{m}^2 . Therefore, q = A ϵ 0 E = 796.5 nC q = A \epsilon_0 E = 796.5~\mbox{nC} .

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