Nagel Point Meets Incircle

Geometry Level 4

The triangle A B C ABC is such that its Nagel point N a Na lies on its incircle. The triangle has perimeter 256 256 . What is the length of its shortest side?


The answer is 64.

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Mark Hennings
Jan 12, 2021

The Nagel point of the triangle has barycentric coordinates s a : s b : s c s-a:s-b:s-c , while the incentre has barycentric coordinates a : b : c a:b:c . The distance between two points P , Q P,Q with normalized barycentric coordinates p 1 : p 2 : p 3 p_1:p_2:p_3 and q 1 : q 2 : q 3 q_1:q_2:q_3 (so that p 1 + p 2 + p 3 = q 1 + q 2 + q 3 = 1 p_1+p_2+p_3=q_1+q_2+q_3=1 ) is given by the formula P Q 2 = a 2 ( p 2 q 2 ) ( p 3 q 3 ) b 2 ( p 1 q 1 ) ( p 3 q 3 ) c 2 ( p 1 q 1 ) ( p 2 q 2 ) PQ^2 \; = \; -a^2(p_2-q_2)(p_3-q_3) - b^2(p_1-q_1)(p_3-q_3) - c^2(p_1-q_1)(p_2-q_2)

Thus the distance between the Nagel point and the incentre is given by N a I 2 = a 3 + b 3 + c 3 2 ( a 2 b + a b 2 + a 2 c + a c 2 + b 2 c + b c 2 ) + 9 a b c a + b + c NaI^2 \; = \; - \frac{a^3 + b^3 + c^3 - 2(a^2b + ab^2 + a^2c + ac^2 + b^2c + bc^2) + 9abc}{a+b+c} On the other hand the inradius r r of A B C ABC has formula r 2 = ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) s = ( b + c a ) ( a + c b ) ( a + b c ) 4 ( a + b + c ) r^2 \; = \; \frac{(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}{s} \; = \; \frac{(b+c-a)(a+c-b)(a+b-c)}{4(a+b+c)} and hence we deduce that N a I 2 r 2 = ( a + b 3 c ) ( a + c 3 b ) ( b + c 3 a ) 4 ( a + b + c ) NaI^2 - r^2 \; = \; \frac{(a+b-3c)(a+c-3b)(b+c-3a)}{4(a+b+c)} Since N a Na lies on the incircle we know that N a I = r NaI = r , and hence ( a + b 3 c ) ( a + c 3 b ) ( b + c 3 a ) = 0 (a+b-3c)(a+c-3b)(b+c-3a) \; = \; 0 Without loss of generality we deduce that b + c = 3 a b+c = 3a . Thus we can write b = 3 2 a d b = \tfrac32a - d , c = 3 2 a + d c = \tfrac32a + d for some 0 < d < 3 2 a 0 < d < \tfrac32a . It is clear that c c is then the largest of the three sides of the triangle. Since a , b , c a,b,c form the sides of the triangle, we must have 3 2 a + d = c < a + b = a + 3 2 a d \tfrac32a + d = c < a + b = a + \tfrac32a - d , so that d < 1 2 a d < \tfrac12a . Thus the triangle A B C ABC has sides a < b = 3 2 a d < c = 3 2 a + d a \; < \; b = \tfrac32a-d \; < \; c = \tfrac32a + d for any 0 < d < 1 2 a 0 < d < \tfrac12a . Thus the perimeter of the triangle A B C ABC is 4 a = 256 4a = 256 , so we deduce that the length of its shortest side is a = 64 a = \boxed{64} .

David Vreken
Jan 16, 2021

Let a = B C a = BC , b = A C b = AC , and c = A B c = AB , and let the coordinates of the vertices be B ( 1 2 a , 0 ) B(-\frac{1}{2}a, 0) , C ( 1 2 a , 0 ) C(\frac{1}{2}a, 0) , and A ( p , q ) A(p, q) .

The centroid G G has coordinates G ( p 1 2 a + 1 2 a 3 , q + 0 + 0 3 ) = G ( p 3 , q 3 ) G\bigg(\cfrac{p - \frac{1}{2}a + \frac{1}{2}a}{3}, \cfrac{q + 0 + 0}{3}\bigg) = G\bigg(\cfrac{p}{3}, \cfrac{q}{3}\bigg) .

The incenter I I has coordinates I ( a p + 1 2 a b + 1 2 a c a + b + c , a q + 0 + 0 a + b + c ) = I ( 2 a p + a b + a c 2 ( a + b + c ) , a q a + b + c ) I\bigg(\cfrac{ap + \frac{1}{2}ab + \frac{1}{2}ac}{a + b + c}, \cfrac{aq + 0 + 0}{a + b + c}\bigg) = I\bigg(\cfrac{2ap + ab + ac}{2(a + b + c)}, \cfrac{aq}{a + b + c}\bigg) .

Since B C BC lies along the x x -axis, the radius r r of the incenter is the same as the y y -coordinate of the incenter, so r = a q a + b + c r = \cfrac{aq}{a + b + c} .

The centroid, incenter, and Nagel point all lie on the Nagel line such that 3 G I = r 3 GI = r , so:

3 ( 2 a p + a b + a c 2 ( a + b + c ) p 3 ) 2 + ( a q a + b + c q 3 ) 2 = a q a + b + c 3 \sqrt{\bigg(\cfrac{2ap + ab + ac}{2(a + b + c)} - \cfrac{p}{3}\bigg)^2 + \bigg(\cfrac{aq}{a + b + c} - \cfrac{q}{3}\bigg)^2} = \cfrac{aq}{a + b + c}

By the distance formula on A B AB , c 2 = ( p + 1 2 a ) 2 + q 2 c^2 = (p + \frac{1}{2}a)^2 + q^2 and by the distance formula on A C AC , b 2 = ( p 1 2 a ) 2 + q 2 b^2 = (p - \frac{1}{2}a)^2 + q^2 . Solving these two equations for p p and q 2 q^2 gives p = c 2 b 2 2 a p = \cfrac{c^2 - b^2}{2a} and q 2 = 2 a 2 b 2 + 2 a 2 c 2 + 2 b 2 c 2 a 4 b 4 c 4 4 a 2 q^2 = \cfrac{2a^2b^2 + 2a^2c^2 + 2b^2c^2 - a^4 - b^4 - c^4}{4a^2} , and substituting these into the equation above and simplifying we obtain:

( 3 a b c ) ( 3 b a c ) ( 3 c a b ) = 0 (3a - b - c)(3b - a - c)(3c - a - b) = 0

Without loss of generality, let 3 a b c = 0 3a - b - c = 0 , which means b + c = 3 a b + c = 3a and c = 3 a b c = 3a - b .

By the triangle inequality theorem , c < a + b c < a + b , and substituting c = 3 a b c = 3a - b gives 3 a b < a + b 3a - b < a + b , which solves to a < b a < b . By a similar argument, a < c a < c , so a a is the shortest side.

Substituting b + c = 3 a b + c = 3a into the the perimeter P = a + b + c P = a + b + c and solving gives a = 1 4 P a = \frac{1}{4}P .

Therefore, for a triangle with a perimeter of 256 256 and a Nagel point lying on the incenter, the shortest side is a = 1 4 P = 1 4 256 = 64 a = \frac{1}{4}P = \frac{1}{4} \cdot 256 = \boxed{64} .

The Nagel Point of a triangle is the point of concurrency of its Nagel cevians, which in-turn are the segments joining a triangle's vertex to the point of contact of the excircle corresponding to that vertex with the side opposite to the same vertex. Property: Let A A 1 AA_1 be the nagel cevian corresponding to vertex A A and D D' be the point diametrically opposite to D D on I \odot {I} , then D A A 1 . D' \in AA_1. And cyclically for rest three cases. Here, ATQ, D N a . D' \equiv N_a.

Using the property on the nagel cevian corresponding to vertex C C , one gets N a F C = 9 0 \angle N_aFC= 90^{\circ} and some angle chase would conclude that D N a C = B 2 \angle DN_aC = \angle \frac{B}{2} or B C N a = 9 0 B 2 \angle BCN_a= 90^{\circ} - \angle \frac{B}{2} .

It's easily seen now that, Δ B I A C Δ C N a B \Delta BI_AC \cong \Delta CN_aB , which implies that Exradius I A A 1 = N a D = 2 × I_AA_1 = N_aD = 2\times inradius. A G = 2 × A F s 2 = 2 × A F A F = s 4 = 64. \therefore AG = 2 \times AF \Rightarrow \frac{s}{2} = 2\times AF \Rightarrow AF = \frac{s}{4} = 64. It's apparent now that B C = 64. BC= 64. That it indeed is the shortest side is also trivially seen.

Just For the sake of synthetic spirit:)

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