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What is the value of 1 + 2 1 + 3 1 + 4 \sqrt{1 + 2\sqrt {1 + 3\sqrt {1 + 4 \sqrt \cdots}}} ? \large ?


The answer is 3.

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6 solutions

Michael Tong
Jan 16, 2014

This is a known problem given by Ramanujan. We will investigate a more general case:

f ( x ) = a x + ( n + a ) 2 + x a ( x + n ) + ( n + a ) 2 + ( x + n ) f(x) = \sqrt{ax + (n+a)^2 + x\sqrt{a(x+n) + (n+a)^2 + (x+n)\sqrt{\dots}}}

f ( x ) 2 = a x + ( n + a ) 2 + x a ( x + n ) + ( n + a ) 2 + ( x + n ) f(x)^2 = ax + (n+a)^2 + x\sqrt{a(x+n) + (n+a)^2 + (x+n) \sqrt{\dots}}

f ( x ) 2 = a x + ( n + a ) 2 + x f ( x + n ) f(x)^2 = ax + (n+a)^2 + xf(x+n)

Letting f ( x ) = x + n + a f(x) = x+n+a , we find that this satisfies our question. (In particular, ( x + n + a ) 2 = a x + ( a + n ) 2 + x ( x + 2 n + a ) (x+n+a)^2 = ax + (a+n)^2 + x(x+2n+a) )

Thus, our question gives a = 0 , n = 1 , x = 2 a = 0, n = 1, x = 2 , so f ( x ) = 0 + 1 + 2 = 3 f(x) = 0+1+2 = 3 .

Also what's with the picture? Made me almost not answer the problem..

Michael Tong - 7 years, 4 months ago

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The staff put it on

Sharky Kesa - 7 years, 4 months ago

Lololol

William Cui - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Yeah, it's kinda disgusting lol.

Noah Singer - 7 years, 4 months ago

I find this solution quite complicated. Can we just solve it with simple methods?

Naga Kavin Mugila Nagaligam - 7 years, 4 months ago

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This was how Ramanujan solved it

Sharky Kesa - 7 years, 4 months ago

See my solution down ;)

Antony Diaz - 7 years, 4 months ago

then simply use a calculator :P

Mariam Ziauddin - 7 years, 1 month ago

what method you have adopted to solve it?

Mariam Ziauddin - 7 years, 1 month ago

Basicly we looking for vertex of a function that the main identity is square root, if you ask, me the question is badly frased.

Yuliya Skripchenko - 7 years, 4 months ago

How do you come up with the 1st equation?

jayver de torres - 7 years, 4 months ago

can you tell me about any book dt cotains these types of challenging problems

sajal agrawal - 7 years, 4 months ago

how you put f(x)=x+n+a ???

sunil mehta - 7 years, 4 months ago

How did u guess the substitution u hv made(f(x)=x+n+a)??

Abhishek Goel - 7 years, 4 months ago

why (f(x))² = f(x)= x+n+a ?? i don't understand what happened with f(x+n)

Rafael Maes - 7 years, 3 months ago

that' s really good

Abdou Mtec - 7 years, 2 months ago

WTF?! Is my computer glitching, or has this problem become a level 5 calculus question?! Rating 2004!

Sharky Kesa - 6 years, 11 months ago

@Michael Tong , 43 upvotes for this problem.. ......

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago

Good solution

Linh Pham Ngoc Vien - 6 years, 11 months ago

Very well written.I was really not aware of this as a Ramanujan problem.

Abhishek Paul - 7 years, 4 months ago

Use Calculator

Kevin Christian - 7 years, 2 months ago
Antony Diaz
Jan 16, 2014

First, if we write n × ( n + 2 ) n \times (n+2) = n × 1 + ( n + 1 ) ( n + 3 ) n \times \sqrt{1+(n+1)(n+3)} ),

And we defined F(n)= n × ( n + 2 ) n \times (n+2) .

So we have that,

F(n)= n × 1 + ( n + 1 ) ( n + 3 ) n \times \sqrt{1+(n+1)(n+3)}

F(n)= n × 1 + f ( n + 1 ) n\times \sqrt { 1+f\left( n+1 \right) }

F(n)= n × 1 + ( n + 1 ) × 1 + ( n + 2 ) × ( n + 4 ) n\times \sqrt { 1+(n+1)\times \sqrt { 1+(n+2)\times (n+4) } }

F(n)= n × 1 + ( n + 1 ) × 1 + ( n + 2 ) × 1 + ( n + 3 ) × ( n + 5 ) n\times \sqrt { 1+(n+1)\times \sqrt { 1+(n+2)\times \sqrt { 1+(n+3)\times (n+5) } } }

So, n × 1 + ( n + 1 ) × 1 + ( n + 2 ) × 1 + . . . n\times \sqrt { 1+(n+1)\times \sqrt { 1+(n+2)\times \sqrt { 1+... } } } = n × ( n + 2 ) n\times (n+2)

Then, if we replace n = 1 n=1

1 × ( 1 + 2 ) 1\times (1+2) = 1 × 1 + 2 × 1 + 3 × 1 + . . . ) 1\times \sqrt { 1+2\times \sqrt { 1+3\times \sqrt { 1+... } } } )

3 = 1 × 1 + 2 × 1 + 3 × 1 + . . . ) 3=1\times \sqrt { 1+2\times \sqrt { 1+3\times \sqrt { 1+... } } } )

Ramanujan's solution

I like this one! Is more easy that my long solution.. lim n 1 + 2 × 1 + 3 × 1 + . . . \lim _{ n\rightarrow \infty }{ \sqrt { 1+2\times \sqrt { 1+3\times \sqrt { 1+... } } } } and find how the sequence converges..

Junior D - 7 years, 4 months ago

excellent

Anishchandran C - 7 years, 4 months ago

Really elegant solution. But how did you come up with the ffirst identity ?

Sundar R - 7 years, 4 months ago

brilliant ramanujan

Ashish Jaisawal - 7 years, 3 months ago
Pebrudal Zanu
Jan 16, 2014

Familiar Identity Ramanujan Nested Radical

perfect :) :)

Lipika Singh - 7 years, 4 months ago
Budi Utomo
Jan 10, 2014

The problem above can simplify to (1 + 2x4)^(1/2) = 9^(1/2) = 3. ANSWER : 3

How do you simplify it?

Sharky Kesa - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Can you add a solution that explains how to solve this problem?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 4 months ago

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In order to solve this question, use need to use a more general formulation.

F ( x ) = a x + ( n + a ) 2 + x a ( x + n ) + ( n + a ) 2 + ( x + n ) . . . F(x)= \sqrt{ax + (n + a)^2 + x \sqrt{a(x + n) + (n + a)^2 + (x + n) \sqrt {...}}}

F ( x ) 2 = a x + ( n + a ) 2 + x F ( x + n ) F(x)^2 = ax + (n + a)^2 + xF(x + n)

F ( x ) = x + n + a F(x)= x + n + a

If we input x = 2 x = 2 , n = 1 n = 1 and a = 0 a = 0 , we get an answer of 3.

Sharky Kesa - 7 years, 4 months ago

This is a problem first published by the great Indian mathematician S.Ramanujan in the Journal of the Indian Mathematical Society in early 1900's.

Shivin Srivastava - 7 years, 5 months ago

How did you do that?

Muckbul Hossain - 7 years, 4 months ago

how did u came up with that solution?

Russel Culibar - 7 years, 4 months ago
Aravind M
May 3, 2014

Well took a calculator ; first sqrt(1+4)=sqrt(5)*3= 6.708 ; Then added 1 == 7.708 again sqrt(7.708)=2.7763; multiplied it by 2 to get 5.552 ; added 1 6.552 then sqrt(6.552) =2.559... Since the sum is a positive sum and root values cannot be accurately typed with a computer(not perfect squares), I guessed the answer to be 3.... :)

Try to use the calculator and determine the values by increasing the numbers as shown in the sequence and you will notice that the values are approaching 3 but doesn't equal it!

Try to use actual math and determine the values and you will notice that the correct answer is 3

Ruchir Mehta - 7 years, 4 months ago

I guess, at some point, after a certain n, we will have a remainder term which can be considered as n(1+sqrt(1+nsqrt(1+...nsqrt(..............))))) which should be solvable by usual methods. The above seems similar to the expression : sqrt(1+sqrt(1+sqrt(1+......) which is phi. My guess the above expression would n*phi. Another possibility is that after many nestings, the nested terms would evaluate to 1

Sundar R - 7 years, 4 months ago

"n(1+sqrt(1+nsqrt(1+...nsqrt(..............))))) " Do you mean n 1 + n 1 + n 1 + . . . n\sqrt{1+n\sqrt{1+n\sqrt{1+...}}} . If so you can rearrange this to get n 2 + n 4 + n 2 2 n 2 + 1 \frac{n^2+n\sqrt{4+n^2}}{2} \approx n^2 + 1 for large n n .

The value of n 1 + ( n + 1 ) 1 + ( n + 2 ) 1 + . . . = n ( n + 2 ) n\sqrt{1+(n+1)\sqrt{1+(n+2)\sqrt{1+...}}} = n(n+2) .

Alex Burgess - 2 years, 2 months ago

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