Newton's Sums with euler's number?

Algebra Level 3

x + y + z = 0 x 2 + y 2 + z 2 = e x 3 + y 3 + z 3 = e 2 x+y+z=0\\ { x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 }=e\\ { x }^{ 3 }+{ y }^{ 3 }+{ z }^{ 3 }={ e }^{ 2 }\\

This set of equations is true for three complex numbers x , y , z x, y, z , where e e is Euler's Constant.

If x y z = A B e C xyz=\frac { A }{ B } { e }^{ C } for positive integers A , B , C A,B,C with coprime A , B A,B , find A + B + C A+B+C .

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The answer is 6.

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3 solutions

Ariel Gershon
Apr 18, 2015

Actually you don't need the second equation.

It is a pretty well-known theorem that if x + y + z = 0 x + y + z = 0 , then x 3 + y 3 + z 3 = 3 x y z x^3 + y^3 + z^3 = 3xyz . Therefore, x y z = e 2 3 xyz = \boxed{\frac{e^2}{3}}

@Calvin Lin I think 2 n d 2{nd} equation must be removed since Ariel is able to solve without using it. Also , this must be level 2 problem.Thanks!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I know that the 2nd equation is not required, even I have not used it.

My solution and Ariel's solution is same, mine is just more elaborated.

The second equation has been put to trick people that this should be solved by Newton's sums

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Oh , No problem.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago

Yeah! 2 n d 2^{nd} equation is not at all needed by your proof.Awesome!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago
Archit Boobna
Apr 17, 2015

Identity: x 3 + y 3 + z 3 3 x y z = ( x + y + z ) ( x 2 + y 2 + z 2 x y y z z x ) { x }^{ 3 }+{ y }^{ 3 }+{ z }^{ 3 }-3xyz=\left( x+y+z \right) \left( { x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 }-xy-yz-zx \right)

Putting x+y+z=0, x 3 + y 3 + z 3 3 x y z = 0 x 3 + y 3 + z 3 = 3 x y z { x }^{ 3 }+{ y }^{ 3 }+{ z }^{ 3 }-3xyz=0\\ \Rightarrow { x }^{ 3 }+{ y }^{ 3 }+{ z }^{ 3 }=3xyz

Putting x 3 + y 3 + z 3 = e 2 { x }^{ 3 }+{ y }^{ 3 }+{ z }^{ 3 }={e}^{2}

e 2 = 3 x y z x y z = 1 3 e 2 { e }^{ 2 }=3xyz\\ \Rightarrow xyz=\frac { 1 }{ 3 } { e }^{ 2 }

So A = 1 A=1 , B = 3 B=3 , C = 2 C=2

So, A + B + C = 6 A+B+C=\boxed { 6 }

Is this a level 4 problem?

Purushottam Abhisheikh - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Yes , even I think it is overrated

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago

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And what was the use of the 2nd equation and al the limit thing.without it also we can solve the question.

Aman Jain - 6 years, 1 month ago

Note that you set this as a level 4 problem to start.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Calvin Lin This problem has been edited. I had written e=euler' number but someone changed it to e=lim n to infinity (1+n)^1/n which i feel is wrong

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I have edited and made it (1+1/n)^n

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I have reverted it to "Euler's Constant".

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 1 month ago
Aadil Bhore
Apr 19, 2015

While Ariel's solution is slick, here is the proof of the theorem he invoked.

0=(x+y+z)^3 -3(x^2+y^2 +z^2)(x+y+z)=6xyz -2(x^3 +y^3 + z^3)

So 3xyz=x^3 + y^3 + z^3

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