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What is the smallest value (round off to 1 decimal point) that

49 + a 2 7 2 a + a 2 + b 2 2 a b + 50 + b 2 10 b \sqrt{49+a^2-7\sqrt2a}+\sqrt{a^2+b^2-\sqrt2ab}+\sqrt{50+b^2-10b}

can have for positive real numbers a a and b b ?


The answer is 13.0.

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5 solutions

Christopher Boo
Mar 21, 2014

Consider a pentagon O A B C D OABCD such that

O A = 7 OA=7

O B = a OB=a

O C = b OC=b

O D = 5 2 OD=5\sqrt2

A O B = B O C = C O D = 4 5 \angle AOB=\angle BOC=\angle COD=45^\circ

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By Cosine Theorem ,

A B = \strut 49 + a 2 7 2 a AB=\sqrt{\strut 49+a^2-7\sqrt2a}

B C = \strut a 2 + b 2 2 a b BC=\sqrt{\strut a^2+b^2-\sqrt2ab}

C D = \strut 50 + b 2 10 b CD=\sqrt{\strut 50+b^2-10b}

By Triangle Inequality ,

A B + B C + C D AB+BC+CD

A D \geq AD

\strut 7 2 + ( 5 2 ) 2 2 ( 7 ) ( 5 2 ) cos 13 5 \geq\sqrt{\strut 7^2+(5\sqrt2)^2-2(7)(5\sqrt2)\cos135^\circ}

\strut 49 + 50 + 2 ( 7 ) ( 5 2 ) ( 2 2 ) \geq\sqrt{\strut 49+50+2(7)(5\sqrt2)(\frac{\sqrt2}{2})}

13 \geq13

Hence, the minimum value is 13 13 .


This is also the suggested solution from the paper.

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Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks!

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

So the picture is here (ABCD is PQRS respectively, edited wrongly)

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Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

Use AM>= GM. All three terms are positive and can be written as

( a 7 2 ) 2 + 49 2 + ( a b 2 ) 2 + b 2 2 + ( 10 2 b 2 ) 2 + b 2 2 \sqrt { { \left( a-\frac { 7 }{ \sqrt { 2 } } \right) }^{ 2 }+\frac { 49 }{ 2 } } +\sqrt { { \left( a-\frac { b }{ \sqrt { 2 } } \right) }^{ 2 }+\frac { { b }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } } +\sqrt { { \left( \frac { 10 }{ \sqrt { 2 } } -\frac { b }{ \sqrt { 2 } } \right) }^{ 2 }+\frac { { b }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } }

Visually We can see that all three terms are same when a=10/sqrt(2) and b=7. But this doesn't give the correct answer. Can anybody explain why?

Ankit Gargava - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Check if the equality is achieved or not....

Rohit Jain - 6 years, 2 months ago

Bravo! :')

psbbboyz fluffy - 7 years, 2 months ago

nice representation!

Firman Aditama - 7 years, 2 months ago

@Best of Algebra @Calvin Lin Why the problem wording was changed? The answer should not be in 1 decimal place...

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

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For questions like this where the integer value answer is easy to guess, I've started to edit the answers to require more information.

I've updated the correct answer accordingly. Those who previously entered 13 are still correct.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

You'll understand when you see Abhimanyu Singh's solution below.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

Oh NO! I miscalculated & got 13.4 instead! Silly me! Well, how do you insert an image in a solution?

Ameya Salankar - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Just read Tunk-Fey Ariawan's comment up there :)

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

you convert from algebra to geometry/ superb!!!

Figel Ilham - 6 years, 10 months ago
Dan Lawson
Mar 31, 2014

Consider this figure: Title of picture Title of picture By the Law of Cosines:

A B = 49 + a 2 7 2 a AB=\sqrt{49+a^2-7\sqrt{2}a}

B C = a 2 + b 2 2 a b BC=\sqrt{a^2+b^2-\sqrt{2}ab}

By the Pythagorean Theorem:

C D = 50 + b 2 10 b CD=\sqrt{50+b^2-10b}

The sum A B + B C + C D AB+BC+CD can be minimized to A D AD when a a and b b are such that B B and C C lie on A D \overline{AD} . By the Pythagorean Theorem, A D = 13 AD=13 .

Superb!!

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 2 months ago

Good geometric approach nice job!!

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 2 months ago

Such a clean and outstanding solution, One thing though, how did you manage to spot it as a geometric question. Really impressive. :)

Mohammad Al Ali - 7 years ago

Frankly, I did the same. But I don't know how did we justify the planer figure. I mean the vectors a and b and 5 0 \sqrt50 could be outside the plane as well for minimum value.

Himanshu Arora - 6 years, 12 months ago
Abhimanyu Singh
Mar 25, 2014

Lets try to solve this by basic reasoning approach

As the expression is [ 49 + a 2 7 2 a \sqrt {49+a^{2}-7\sqrt {2} a} + a 2 + b 2 2 a b \sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}-\sqrt{2}ab} + 50 + b 2 10 b \sqrt {50+b^{2}-10b} ] .

Now 50 + b 2 10 b \sqrt {50+b^{2}-10b} = [ b 5 ] 2 + 25 \sqrt{[b-5]^{2}+25} .

So 50 + b 2 10 b \sqrt {50+b^{2}-10b} is minimized, when b = 5 .

Now, putting b = 5 in second term, we get, [ 25 + a 2 5 2 a \sqrt {25+a^{2}-5\sqrt {2} a} ]

Now, the first two terms can be written as,
[ [ a 7 2 ] 2 + 49 2 \sqrt{{[a-\frac{7}{\sqrt{2}}]}^{2}+\frac{49}{2}} + [ a 5 2 ] 2 + 25 2 \sqrt{{[a-\frac{5}{\sqrt{2}}]}^{2}+\frac{25}{2}} ]

Now, just a small work, find such value of a, that minimizes the expression. As [ a = 7 2 a=\frac{7}{\sqrt{2} } ] , minimizes first term and [ a = 5 2 a=\frac{5}{\sqrt{2} } ] minimizes second term, So, obviously to minimize both the terms [ a = 7 2 + 5 2 2 = 6 2 a=\frac{\frac{7}{ \sqrt{2}}+\frac{5}{\sqrt{2}}}{2}=\frac{6}{ \sqrt{2}} ]

Thus the minimum values for each term can be given by,
[ 49 + a 2 7 2 a \sqrt {49+a^{2}-7\sqrt {2} a} ] has minimum value = 5
[ 50 + a 2 5 2 a \sqrt {50+a^{2}-5\sqrt {2} a} ] has minimum value = 13 \sqrt{13}
[ 50 + b 2 10 b \sqrt {50+b^{2}-10b} ] has minimum value = 5


So, 10 + 13 \sqrt{13} is the minimum value. i.e., 13.60555127546 , So integer value is 13 .

Note that your solution is incorrect. The minimum value is exactly 13, and not 13.60555.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

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I know that, my approach doesn't give the actual result, and that's why I mentioned in the very first line " try to solve ", and the minimization approach will always give the approximate result .

Abhimanyu Singh - 7 years, 2 months ago

"So obviously to minimize both" this is not at all obvious, not even true. Although it does the work, it is not a correct reasinoning..

Luis Rivera - 7 years, 2 months ago

Nice one

Amr Saber - 7 years, 2 months ago

Right!

Firman Aditama - 7 years, 2 months ago
Rohan Shinde
Dec 6, 2018

Why not try Minkowski inequality as ( a 7 2 ) 2 + ( 7 2 ) 2 + ( a + b 2 ) 2 + ( b 2 ) 2 + ( 5 2 b 2 ) 2 + ( b 2 ) 2 ( 17 2 ) 2 + ( 7 2 ) 2 = 13 \sqrt {\left( a-\frac {7}{\sqrt 2}\right)^2 +\left(\frac {7}{\sqrt 2}\right) ^2}+\sqrt {\left( -a+\frac {b}{\sqrt 2}\right)^2 +\left(\frac {b}{\sqrt 2}\right) ^2}+\sqrt {\left( 5\sqrt 2 -\frac {b}{\sqrt 2}\right)^2 +\left(\frac {-b}{\sqrt 2}\right) ^2}\ge \sqrt {\left(\frac {17}{\sqrt 2}\right) ^2+\left(\frac {7}{\sqrt 2}\right) ^2}=13

Karan Shekhawat
Sep 5, 2014

Firstly i interpreted that these are magnitude of sum of two vectors having magnitude '7' and 'a' with angle between them 135 degree and similarly 'a' and 'b' with 135 degree angle , 50 \sqrt{50} . and 'b' with 135 degree angle...!! now drawn these vectors on Cartesian plane with coordinates and express these in vectors. now use Cauchy inequality by using concept of vectors,and by multiplying(dot product) these 3 vectors by appropriate vectors so that terms a,b are cancel out on summing them. this yield directly our required answer...!! { i am here only post key lines of my solution)

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