Nomadic tribe route

Geometry Level 3

A nomadic tribe in the northern hemisphere moves along the following route every year:

  • In spring, the tribe moves 100 km to the east.
  • In summer, the tribe moves 100 km to the north.
  • In autumn, the tribe moves 98 km to the west.
  • In winter, the tribe moves 100 km to the south.

The tribe reaches its exact starting point from the spring and sets up its winter quarters there.

At what latitude ϕ \phi are the winter quarters (in degrees)? Round to the nearest integer.

Note: Earth's radius is R = 6371 km . R = 6371 \,\text{km}.


The answer is 52.

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5 solutions

Markus Michelmann
Mar 18, 2018

The position on the surface of the earth is determined by latitude ϕ \phi and longitude λ \lambda . While the circles of longtitude go from pole to pole and have a radius R R equal to earth's radius, the radius R = R cos ϕ R' = R \cos \phi of the circle of latitude depends on the latitude ϕ \phi and becomes smaller towards the pole. If the nomadic tribe travels along a circle about the angle Δ ϕ \Delta \phi or Δ λ \Delta \lambda , the distance traveled results to Δ s = R Δ ϕ \Delta s = R \Delta \phi and Δ s = R Δ λ \Delta s = R' \Delta \lambda , respectively.

Therefore, for individual sections of the route follows 100 km = R cos ( ϕ A ) Δ λ 100 km = R Δ ϕ 98 km = R cos ( ϕ A + Δ ϕ ) Δ λ \begin{aligned} 100 \,\text{km} &= R \cos (\phi_A) \Delta \lambda \\ 100 \,\text{km} &= R \Delta \phi \\ 98 \,\text{km} &= R \cos (\phi_A + \Delta \phi) \Delta \lambda \end{aligned} where ϕ A \phi_A is the latitude of the winter quarter and Δ ϕ = 100 km / 6371 km 0.0157 0. 9 \Delta \phi = 100\,\text{km}/6371 \,\text{km}\approx 0.0157 \approx 0.9^\circ is the covered latitude. Therefore, 98 km 100 km = 0.98 = cos ( ϕ A + Δ ϕ ) cos ( ϕ A ) = cos ( ϕ A ) cos ( Δ ϕ ) sin ( ϕ A ) sin ( Δ ϕ ) cos ( ϕ A ) cos ( ϕ A ) Δ ϕ sin ( ϕ A ) cos ( ϕ A ) = 1 Δ ϕ tan ( ϕ A ) ϕ A arctan ( 0.02 Δ ϕ ) 0.905 51. 9 \begin{aligned} \frac{98 \,\text{km}}{100\,\text{km}} = 0.98 &= \frac{\cos(\phi_A + \Delta \phi) }{\cos(\phi_A)} \\ &= \frac{\cos(\phi_A )\cos(\Delta \phi) - \sin(\phi_A )\sin(\Delta \phi)}{\cos(\phi_A)} \\ &\approx \frac{\cos(\phi_A) - \Delta \phi \sin(\phi_A)}{\cos(\phi_A)} \\ &=1 - \Delta \phi \tan(\phi_A) \\ \Rightarrow \qquad \phi_A &\approx \arctan \left(\frac{0.02}{\Delta \phi}\right) \\ &\approx 0.905 \approx 51.9^\circ \end{aligned} Here we used the addition theorem for the cosines and the small angle approximations cos Δ ϕ 1 \cos \Delta \phi \approx 1 and sin Δ ϕ Δ ϕ \sin \Delta \phi \approx \Delta \phi . A more accurate evaluation results Δ ϕ A = 51. 7 \Delta \phi_A = 51.7^\circ .

I have a question (I'm a beginner), do you consider the 100 km traveled from the y axis dimension or from the perimeter of the earth?

Derek Montesdeoca - 3 years, 2 months ago

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The 100km are traveled on the perimeter, not on the y-axis. In the first attempt I did this wrong too :)

Max Tröger - 3 years, 2 months ago

Is this the only solution? What if while moving eastbound, the tribe makes more than 360 degrees?

Alon Gazit - 3 years, 2 months ago

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You beat me to it. :-) There are an infinite number of solutions, though most of them are silly.

Steve Zagieboylo - 3 years, 2 months ago

You think of solutions of the following kind: 100 km = 6371 km cos ( ϕ ) ( Δ λ + 2 π n ) 98 km = 6371 km cos ( ϕ + 0.0157 ) ( Δ λ + 2 π m ) \begin{aligned} 100 \,\text{km} &= 6371 \,\text{km} \cdot \cos(\phi) (\Delta \lambda + 2 \pi n) \\ 98 \,\text{km} &= 6371 \,\text{km} \cdot \cos(\phi + 0.0157) (\Delta \lambda + 2 \pi m) \end{aligned} where n , m N n, m \in \mathbb{N} indicates the number of orbits around the earth when the tribe moves 100 or 98 kilometers along the latitude. But in order for the earth to be orbited at least once, the tribe must be in a distance less than 100 km / 2 π 16 km 100 \,\text{km}/2 \pi \approx 16 \,\text{km} to the north pole. Thus, in the southern route at a distance of more than 100 km from the pole, there can be no orbiting so that n = 0 n = 0 . Since we are close to the pole, the latitude is nearly 90 degrees, so that ϕ = π / 2 δ \phi = \pi / 2 - \delta with a small angle δ \delta . With the help of the small angle approximation cos ( π / 2 δ ) = sin ( δ ) δ \cos(\pi/2 - \delta) = \sin(\delta) \approx \delta then follows 100 km 6371 km δ Δ λ 98 km 6371 km ( δ 0.0157 ) ( Δ λ + 2 π m ) \begin{aligned} 100 \,\text{km} &\approx 6371 \,\text{km} \cdot \delta \Delta \lambda\\ 98 \,\text{km} &\approx 6371 \,\text{km} \cdot (\delta - 0.0157) (\Delta \lambda + 2 \pi m) \end{aligned} For example, for m = 1 m = 1 we get a solution with δ 0.0178 1 \delta \approx 0.0178 \approx 1 ^\circ and Δ λ 0.879 5 0 \Delta \lambda \approx 0.879 \approx 50 ^\circ , so that ϕ 8 9 \phi \approx 89^\circ would be an alternative solution for the problem. For higher values m > 1 m > 1 , we must move even closer to the north pole, while the angle δ \delta from point A to the north pole must be at least 0.9 degrees. Therefore, for all alternative solutions, the value is rounded value of the latitude is ϕ 8 9 \phi \approx 89^\circ .

I agree with you, in addition to the value ϕ 5 2 \phi \approx 52^\circ is ϕ 8 9 \phi \approx 89^\circ an another, mathematically possible solution, even if it does not make much sense in reality.

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 2 months ago

Cool problem. Curiously, the radius of the earth doesn't matter to the East and West distances. We just use their ratio. (We do need it to establish the angle covered North to South.)

Jeremy Galvagni - 3 years, 2 months ago

I have a question. What if we try to solve this problem without aproximation. I mean tan 1 ( ( cos ( 100 6371 ) 0.98 ) sin ( 100 6371 ) ) \begin{aligned} \tan^{-1}\left(\frac{\left(\cos\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)-0.98\right)}{\sin\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)}\right) \end{aligned} My calculation shows that it's 89.215. So what's wrong ?

Andrey Tislenko - 3 years, 2 months ago

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I have the same problem with you, it seems that when the angle gets smaller, the differences between the approximation and the exact equation gets higher :(

Lê Đình Hải - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Yeah... i guess it means the answear 52 is incorrect. If we however want to approximate sin(x) in this case we should use not only the first term of the Maclaurin series but the whole series 100 6371 ( 100 6371 ) 3 3 ! + ( 100 6371 ) 5 5 ! ( 100 6371 ) 7 7 ! + ( 100 6371 ) 9 9 ! ( 100 6371 ) 11 11 ! . . . , \begin{aligned} \frac{100}{6371}-\frac{\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)^3}{3!}+\frac{\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)^5}{5!}-\frac{\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)^7}{7!}+\frac{\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)^9}{9!}-\frac{\left(\frac{100}{6371}\right)^{11}}{11!} ... ,\end{aligned} calculate O(x^(2n+1)) that is depend on our needeness (in theory the error of solution should be less or much more less then the error of input data) and only after that apply constructed approxomattion.

Andrey Tislenko - 3 years, 2 months ago

The reason is probably, that your calculator is set to measure all angles in degrees. Here's my calculation, I always use the unit radian (the small angle approximation for sinus and cosine work only in this case). If you want to get the correct result, you have to enter the correct angle Δ ϕ = 0. 9 \Delta \phi = 0.9^\circ instead of Δ ϕ = 100 / 6371 radians \Delta \phi = 100/6371 \,\text{radians} .

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Omg, thank you. haha i feel very stupid right now.

Andrey Tislenko - 3 years, 2 months ago

Of course I would go and calculate the complementary angle of 37°...

Gerrit Grundling - 3 years, 1 month ago

Sir , Could I solve this by taking the help of standard Spherical Coordinates....r,phi and Theta

Tushar Singh - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Sure. I is just a different way to label the angles.

Markus Michelmann - 2 years, 11 months ago
Pierre Thierry
Mar 26, 2018

As the travel at constant longitude is along a geodesic, both cover an angle Δ ϕ \Delta\phi such that Δ ϕ R = 100 k m \Delta\phi·R=100km , so Δ ϕ 0.015696 \Delta\phi\approx 0.015696

If λ \lambda is the angle traveled at constant latitude, we know that the radius of the circle of that latitude is r ϕ = R c o s ( ϕ ) r_{\phi}=R·cos(\phi) , and λ r ϕ = 100 k m \lambda·r_{\phi}=100km , so we have λ = 100 R c o s ( ϕ ) \lambda=\frac{100}{R·cos(\phi)} .

We also know that λ r ϕ + Δ ϕ = 98 k m \lambda·r_{\phi+\Delta\phi}=98km , which simplifies into c o s ( ϕ + Δ ϕ ) c o s ( ϕ ) = 98 100 \frac{cos(\phi+\Delta\phi)}{cos(\phi)}=\frac{98}{100}

7 steps of a dichotomic search for ϕ \phi in the range [ 0 , π / 2 ] [0, \pi/2] yields an approximate value of 51.7 51.7 .

Hollis Smith
Mar 27, 2018

The latitude, ϕ \phi , is the angle above the equator from Earth's center. Thus, we know that an arc traversed at constant longitude (along a meridian) is always of length R Δ ϕ R\Delta\phi .

The longitude, θ \theta , is the angle from the prime meridian to other meridians, as measured from Earth's axis. The distance from any point on Earth's surface to its axis is R cos ϕ R \cos \phi , and hence the length of any arc traversed at constant latitude (parallel to the equator) is always of length R cos ϕ Δ θ R\cos\phi \Delta \theta .

Let a = 100 k m a = 100\,{\rm km} , b = 98 k m b = 98\,{\rm km} , and ϕ 0 \phi_0 be the latitude at A A . Then we may immediately write Δ ϕ = a R \Delta\phi = \frac{a}{R} , and we may determine ϕ 0 \phi_0 as follows: Δ θ = a cos ϕ 0 = b cos ( ϕ 0 + a R ) cos ( ϕ 0 + a R ) = b a cos ϕ 0 cos ϕ 0 cos a R sin ϕ 0 sin a R = b a cos ϕ 0 cos ϕ 0 ( cos a R b a ) = sin ϕ 0 sin a R tan ϕ 0 = cot a R b a csc a R ϕ 0 = arctan ( cot a R b a csc a R ) 0.9024 r a d 51.704 1 \begin{aligned} \Delta\theta = \frac{a}{\not{R} \cos\phi_0} &= \frac{b}{\not{R} \cos \left( \phi_0 + \tfrac{a}{R} \right)} \\ \cos \left( \phi_0 + \tfrac{a}{R} \right) &= \tfrac{b}{a}\cos\phi_0 \\ \cos\phi_0 \cos \tfrac{a}{R} - \sin\phi_0\sin\tfrac{a}{R} &= \tfrac{b}{a}\cos\phi_0 \\ \cos\phi_0\left( \cos\tfrac{a}{R} - \tfrac{b}{a} \right) &= \sin\phi_0 \sin \tfrac{a}{R} \\ \tan\phi_0 &= \cot\tfrac{a}{R} - \tfrac{b}{a}\csc\tfrac{a}{R} \\ \phi_0 & = \arctan \left( \cot\tfrac{a}{R} - \tfrac{b}{a}\csc\tfrac{a}{R} \right) \\ &\approx 0.9024\,{\rm rad} \approx 51.7041^\circ \end{aligned}

I'm going to stick to wood working

Ryan Wingate - 3 years, 2 months ago
Roman George
Apr 1, 2018

As the arcs of the circles of latitude trailed in spring and in autumn differ by 2%, their radii will do so as well.

This difference 0.02 R cos ϕ 0.02R \cos \phi is one leg of a right-angled triangle, the hypotenuse is the summer trail=100, and the angle is ϕ \phi ,

yielding: sin ϕ = 0.02 R cos ϕ / 100 , tan ϕ = 0.02 6371 / 100 = 1.2742 ϕ = 51.875 ° \sin \phi = 0.02 R \cos \phi/100,\\ \tan \phi = 0.02*6371/100 = 1.2742\\ \phi = 51.875°

George Bougas
Mar 28, 2018

The metric on the sphere of radius R R can be written as d S 2 = R 2 d θ 2 + R 2 sin 2 θ d ϕ 2 , θ [ 0 , π / 2 ] , ϕ [ 0 , 2 π ] dS^2=R^2d\theta^2 +R^2\sin^2\theta d\phi^2, \quad \theta \in [0,\pi/2], \quad \phi \in [0,2\pi] We have to note that we start counting the angle θ \theta from the north pole up to the equator. Angle ϕ \phi doesn't have a particular point, and we can start counting from wherever we please. The nomads start from ( θ 0 , 0 ) (\theta_0,0) in our choice of coordinates. After the first journey they end up at ( θ 0 , ϕ 0 ) (\theta_0, \phi_0) . The proper distance is given by 100 = 0 ϕ 0 R sin θ 0 d ϕ 100=\int_0^{\phi_0} R\sin\theta_0 d\phi