Nonlinear Equations of Degree 2

Algebra Level 5

{ 2 x 2 6 x y + 2 y 2 + 43 x + 43 y = 174 , x 2 + y 2 + 5 x + 5 y = 30 \begin{cases} 2x^2 - 6xy + 2y^2 + 43 x + 43 y &=& 174, \\ x^2 + y^2 + 5x + 5y &=& 30 \end{cases}

The real numbers x x and y y satisfy the nonlinear system of equations above.

Find the largest possible value of x y |xy| .


The answer is 8.

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7 solutions

Tim Vermeulen
May 20, 2014

Find the largest possible value of x y \lvert x y \rvert for real numbers x , y x,y that satisfy the system of equations:

{ 2 x 2 6 x y + 2 y 2 + 43 x + 43 y = 174 x 2 + y 2 + 5 x + 5 y = 30 \begin{aligned} \begin{cases} 2x^2-6xy+2y^2+43x+43y&=174\\ x^2+y^2+5x+5y&=30 \end{cases} \end{aligned}

First, subtract the second equation from the first 2 times, and divide by 3:

{ 2 x y + 11 ( x + y ) = 38 ( x + y ) 2 2 x y + 5 ( x + y ) = 30 \begin{aligned} \begin{cases} -2xy+11(x+y)&=38\\ (x+y)^2-2xy+5(x+y)&=30 \end{cases} \end{aligned}

Let a = x + y a=x+y and b = x y b=xy . Substitute:

{ 2 b + 11 a = 38 a 2 2 b + 5 a = 30 \begin{aligned} \begin{cases} -2b+11a&=38\\ a^2-2b+5a&=30 \end{cases} \end{aligned}

Subtracting the first equation from the second leaves a 2 6 a = 8 a 2 6 a + 8 = 0 ( a 2 ) ( a 4 ) = 0 \begin{aligned} a^2-6a&=-8\\ a^2-6a+8&=0\\ (a-2)(a-4)&=0 \end{aligned}

So a = 2 a = 2 or a = 4 a = 4 . If a = 2 a = 2 , then substitution in 2 b + 11 a = 38 -2b+11a=38 leaves b = 8 b = -8 . Similarly, if a = 4 a = 4 , then b = 3 b = 3 . As b = x y b = xy (which had to be maximized), the maximum value of x y \lvert xy \rvert is (potentially) 8 = 8 \lvert -8 \rvert = 8 . The only thing left to check is that there exist real numbers x , y x,y such that: { x + y = a = 2 x y = b = 8 \begin{aligned} \begin{cases} x+y&=a=2\\ xy&=b=-8 \end{cases} \end{aligned}

Both x = 4 , y = 2 x=4,y=-2 and x = 2 , y = 4 x=-2,y=4 satisfy these two equations. Therefore, the largest possible value of x y \lvert xy \rvert is indeed 8 8 .

Observing that the equations are symmetric in x x and y y motivates the change of variables to a = x + y a=x+y and b = x y b=xy .

Common mistakes:

  1. Not checking that the values of x x and y y are real values, especially for those who used the substitution A = x + y , B = x y A = x+y, B = xy . From the quadratic equation, we know that it is possible for A , B A, B to be real valued while x , y x, y are not real.

  2. Not justifying all of their equations. Note that when you manipulate equations, you may introduce solutions.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Derek Khu
May 20, 2014

We use the substitution A=x+y,B=xy. This gives us 2A2+43A−10B=174 and A2+5A−10B=30, so we may solve this to get 11A−2B=38. Substituting this back into the second equation, we get A2−6A+8=0⇒A=2 or A=4. Then, B=−8 or 3 respectively. So the maximum value of |B| is 8. Indeed, when A=4,B=−8, we have (x,y)=(4,−2) or (−2,4), and we may easily check that both of these would satisfy both equations. So the maximum of 8 is indeed attainable.

Just a minor note: I believe you meant "when A=2,B=-8".

Peter Byers - 5 years, 6 months ago
Cassio Sousa
May 20, 2014

First of all, we have:

{ 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) 6 x y + 43 ( x + y ) = 174 ( 1 ) ( x 2 + y 2 ) + 5 ( x + y ) = 30 ( 2 ) \left\{ \begin{array}{l l l} 2(x^2+y^2) - 6xy + 43(x + y) & \quad = 174 & \quad (1) \\ (x^2 + y^2)+ 5(x + y) & \quad = 30 & \quad (2) \end{array} \right.

Instead of working with all these terms (given the symmetry of x and y ), we may work with x+y and xy only. To take and off these equations, we may use the following relation:

x 2 + y 2 = ( x + y ) 2 2 x y ( 3 ) \begin{array}{l l} x^2 + y^2 = (x+y)^2 - 2xy & \quad (3) \end{array}

To simplify the next equations, it will be used:

x + y = z ( 4 ) x y = w ( 5 ) \begin{array}{l l} x+y = z & \quad (4) \\ xy = w & \quad (5) \end{array}

Using (4) and (5) on (3) :

x 2 + y 2 = z 2 2 w ( 6 ) \begin{array}{l l} x^2 + y^2 = z^2 - 2w & \quad (6) \end{array}

Using (4) , (5) and (6) on (2) , we will obtain that:

( x 2 + y 2 ) + 5 ( x + y ) = z 2 + 5 z 2 w = 30 ( 7 ) \begin{array}{l l} \left(x^2 + y^2\right) + 5(x+y) = z^2 + 5z - 2w = 30 & \quad (7) \end{array}

Using the previous procedure on (1) and rearranging some terms:

2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) 6 x y + 43 ( x + y ) = 2 z 2 + 43 z 10 w = 174 ( 8 ) 2\left(x^2 + y^2\right) - 6xy + 43 (x+y) = 2z^2 + 43z - 10w = 174 \quad (8)

Isolating w on (7) :

w = 1 2 ( z 2 + 5 z 30 ) ( 9 ) \begin{array}{l l} w = \frac{1}{2}\left(z^2 + 5z - 30\right) & \quad (9) \end{array}

Using (9) on (8) :

2 z 2 + 43 z 5 ( z 2 + 5 z 30 ) = 174 ( 10 ) 3 z 2 + 18 z = 24 ( 11 ) z 2 6 z + 8 = 0 ( 12 ) \begin{array}{l l} 2z^2 + 43z - 5\left(z^2 + 5z - 30 \right) = 174 & \quad (10) \\ -3z^2 + 18z = -24 & \quad (11) \\ z^2 - 6z + 8 = 0 & \quad (12) \end{array}

Solving (12) for z :

z 1 = 2 z 2 = 4 z_1 = 2 \\ z_2 = 4

Using the values of z on (9) , we will obtain the solutions for w :

w 1 = 8 w 2 = 3 w_1 = -8 \\ w_2 = 3

As we are looking for the largest possible value of |w| that solves the initial system, the final answer is w 1 = 8 |w_1| = 8 .

Working on w and z , we may also find all the possible answers for ( x , y ):

S = { ( 2 ; 4 ) , ( 1 ; 3 ) , ( 3 ; 1 ) , ( 4 , 2 ) } S = \left\{ (-2;4), (1;3), (3;1), (4,-2) \right\}

Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

The equations are symmetrical in x x and y y , meaning that the equations remain unchanged when x x and y y are interchanged. The substitution x = u + v x = u + v , y = u v y = u - v will help when solving symmetrical equations because this substitution will eliminate the terms of degree 1 in v v .

Using the substitution x = u + v x = u + v , y = u v y = u - v in our system of equations and simplifying yields the new system { v 2 = 1 5 ( u 2 43 u + 87 ) , v 2 = u 2 5 u + 15. \begin{cases} v^2 = \frac{1}{5}(u^2 - 43 u + 87), \\ v^2 = -u^2 - 5u + 15. \end{cases} Setting these two equations equal to one another gives us u 2 3 u + 2 = 0 , u^2 - 3u + 2 = 0, from which it follows that u = 1 u = 1 or u = 2 u = 2 . If u = 1 u = 1 then v = ± 3 v = \pm 3 , and if u = 2 u = 2 then v = ± 1 v = \pm 1 . Thus, the pair ( x , y ) = ( u + v , u v ) (x,y) = (u+v, u-v) is one of ( 4 , 2 ) (4,-2) , ( 2 , 4 ) (-2,4) , ( 3 , 1 ) (3,1) , or ( 1 , 3 ) (1,3) . So the largest possible value of x y |xy| is 8.

Thaddeus Abiy
May 20, 2014

First let us write both equations in terms of xy The first equations boils down to : 2(x^2 + y^2) + 43(x+y) - 174 = 10xy

Completing the square for x^2 + y^2 by adding 4xy to both sides of the equation gives us:

2(x^2 + y^2 + 2xy) + 43(x+y) - 174 = 10xy + 4xy

which when simplified becomes

2(x+y)^2 + 43(x+y) - 174 = 10xy .................... (1)

As for the second equation,we can add 2xy to both sides to complete the square

x^2 + y^2 + 2xy + 5(x+y) - 30 = 2xy (x+y)^2 + 5(x+y) - 30 = 2xy ----------------------------------(2)

For the two equations ,Let us assign the variables A and V to x + y and xy respectively this gives us

2A^2 + 43A - 174 = 10V -------------(1) A^2 + 5A - 30 = 2V ----------------(2)

starting from 10V = 10V 5(A^2+5A - 30) = 2A^2 + 43A - 174 which when simplified becomes 3A^2 - 18A + 24 = 0 Dividing the whole thing by three gives A^2 - 6A + 8 = 0 When solving this quadratic equation by factoring method we get (A-2)(A-4)=0 There for A = 2 & A = 4 I then substituted these A values in both the equations and solved for V which enabled me to find three numbers for |V| and select the largest one which was 8

Ved Prakash
May 20, 2014

2 x 2 + 2 y 2 + 43 x + 43 Y 6 x y = 174 2*x^2 + 2* y^2 +43x+43Y-6xy =174 (given).

The above equation can be rewritten as, ( x 2 + x 2 ) + ( y 2 + y 2 ) + ( 5 x + 5 x + 33 x ) + ( 5 y + 5 y + 33 y ) 6 x y = 174 ( x^2 +x^2) + (y^2+y^2) + (5x+5x+33x) + (5y+5y+33y) - 6xy = 174 . Rearranging the terms , we get ( x 2 + y 2 + 5 x + 5 y ) + ( x 2 + y 2 + 5 x + 5 y ) + 33 x + 33 y 6 x y = 174 (x^2+y^2+5x+5y)+(x^2+y^2+5x+5y)+33x+33y -6xy = 174 , which gives 30 + 30 + 33 x + 33 y 6 x y = 174 30+30+33x+33y-6xy= 174 , or that 11 x + 11 y 2 x y = 38 11x+11y-2xy= 38 . Thus, possible values of x x and y y are 4 and -2. Therefore largest possible value of x y = 8 |xy|= 8 .

[Latex edits - Calvin]

What are several things that are wrong with this solution?

Hint 1: Is the conclusion justified?

Hint 2: Proof that 0=1 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Edwin Gray
Aug 20, 2018

Let r = x + y, t = xy. The equations become (1) 2r^2 - 10t + 43r = 174, (2) r^2 - 2t + 5r = 30. Multiplying (2) by 5 to eliminate t, we have : r^2 - 6r + 8 = 0, whence r =2 and r = 4. Substituting each into either equation gives |t| = 3 or 8, so the answer is 8. Ed Gray

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