Today, in a 10-member committee, an old member was replaced by a young member. As such, the average age is the same today as it was 4 years ago.
What is the (positive) difference in ages between the new member and the replaced old member?
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I think the problem is not clear on WHEN the young replaced the old. If he replaced four years ago, the right answer is 40. If he replaced today, the answer is 36.
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I disagree.
Let a 1 be the sum of ages of the committee members 4 years ago
Let o 1 , o 2 = o 1 + 4 denote the age of removed member and n 1 , n 2 = n 1 + 4 denote the age of new member 4 years ago and today respectively.
Then 1 0 a 1 was the average age 4 years ago.
Case 1 : The replacement was made today
Calculating the average of ages as observed presently by :
1 0 a 1 + 4 0 − o 2 + n 2
For that to be equal to 1 0 a 1 , o 2 − n 2 i.e. the age difference must be 40
Case 2 : The replacement was made 4 years ago
Calculating the average of ages as observed presently by:
1 0 a 1 − o 1 + n 2
For that to be equal to 1 0 a 1 , We get,
o 1 − n 2 = 3 6 ⇒ o 1 − ( n 1 + 4 ) = 3 6 ⇒ o 1 − n 1 − 4 = 3 6 ⇒ o 1 − n 1 = 4 0 ,
which was the age difference between them 4 years ago (and still is today).
As you can see, the error you are probably making is considering the difference of age of the removed member 4 years ago and age of new member today.
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Could you explain please, why are you adding n2 in the "case 2" and not n1? We are considering the situation as it was 4 years ago, so it must be n1. Thus, the answer would be 36.
Yeah, I calculated it that way too :o
doesn't matter when he was replaced the difference in age has to be 40
9 26+1 86=320 mean =36, four years after 9 30+1 50=320 mean =36; difference is 36!
It is not 40 on both cases. But since we are talking about today the answer is 40.
Let the sum of nine member (total) =x
and the age of old one=z
so its average 4 yrs ago=(x+z)/10.
after 4 yrs let z be replaced by y.
so now avg=(x+4*10+y)/10
now (x+z)/10=(x+40+y)/10
so after solving we find
z=y+40.
so the old person is 40yrs older than the young one
Why is it x + 40 +y? Surely it should be x + 4*9 + y since of the 9 people they have aged four more years
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i think u r right...bcoz i think it is not necessary to consider the age of the younger guy 4 years ago..the answer must be 36
x is only the sum of 9 people, y is the additional person;the 10th person. You can actually take all of the unknowns and replace it with a single unknown like t(total) to make it easier to understand.
i the caluclation is wrong!!
at "so now avg=(x+4 10+y)/10" i think there should be "avg=(x+4 9+y)/10" because there are only 9 members excepting the old member so answer should be 36
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member y must also age by 4 years, otherwise you are comparing the age of the old person four years ago to the age of the young person today.
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The total no. Or remaining ppl should be 9 as the question is abt the avg now and 4 hrs back
The answer is correct, let's see it.
Let x be the sum of nine members and y the 10th member that was replaced. So, we have
1 0 x + y = P ; where P is the average.
Let z be the age of the new member. Is not hard to see that 4 years later we have:
1 0 ( x + 3 6 ) + z = P .
We have that four years have passed, so
z + r = y + 4 where r is the difference in years between the new member and old member. Therefore
z = y + 4 − r
Substituting z :
1 0 ( x + 3 6 ) + ( y + 4 − r ) = P
⟹ 1 0 ( x + y ) + 4 0 − r = P
⟹ 1 0 ( x + y ) + 4 0 − r = 1 0 x + y
⟹ ( x + y ) + 4 0 − r = x + y
⟹ 4 0 − r = 0
⟹ 4 0 = r
And r is what we were looking for. Then, the correct answer is
r = 4 0
well guys while calculating most of us(including me) might get 36 as ans, let me tell where we went wrong
let 9 guys' age be A and old guy's age be x
and then the new guys age be y
A + x = (A+4*9) + y
so the ans came 36
in this process i forgot that the new guy also aged 4 years in the past 4 years
so ans is 40
X+40y is correct , if the old man has replaced by the younger one at the earlier of 4 years. so at present the 10th person also aged four more years....
the worst part of this question is "how much younger...compared to" which could easily mean a ratio. should be "how many years younger than"
The sum of the ages is x1+4+x2+4+....+x9+4+y. Four years before we had x1+x2+...+x9+x10. Then it follows 36+y=x10 and then x10-y=36
the age of y also increases by 4 years with respect to the time (4 years ago). that's why it is 4 10 and not 4 9
I think the problem is not clear on WHEN the young replaced the old one. If he replaced four years ago, the right answer is 40. If he replaced today, the answer is 36.
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It asks for the average age four years ago so yes. If four years have passed then each member has aged by four years. 10 x 4 is 40. However the old member being replaced will not have aged for the purposes of the calculation as it is asking for The average four years ago which will be calculated by adding the age of 9 members and the new member together then dividing by ten.
If the old average was 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=10 The average is one.
The new calculation would be 5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5+5+x=10
5x9 = 45 -35 =10
1(the old age of the tenth) -(-35) = 36 (as he must not only make the average be 1 again but must also account for the age of the old member.
I don't see how this could legitimately be 40, UNLESS YOU FAIL TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THE FOUR YEARS OF AGING OF THE MEMBER BEING REPLACED ARE NO LONGER AFFECTING THE AVERAGE.
So to clarify I agree with net and apologise for the capitals, I'm on a phone.
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Let's assign each member an age, for simplicity sake let's say they're each 60.
(60*10)/10=60
The average age is 60.
4 years later one guy is replaced by a younger guy making the average the same.
So from this we know:
(64*9+x)/10=60
Where the 9 members are 64 because they each aged 4 years and the new member's age is x, while the average remains as 60 because we know from the problem that the average is the same as it was 4 years ago.
(64*9+x)/10=60
576+x=600
x=24
Solving for the new member's age, he must be 24 based on the values we used.
Now we will take the old member, who was originally 60, but aged 4 years to become 64, and subtract the new member's age from his to get their difference in ages.
64-24=40
This gives us a difference of 40.
We can assign variables to represent everything too.
(a 9+b)/10=x (4a 9+c)/10=x d=(b+4)-c
(a 9+b)/10=((a+4) 9+c)/10 a 9+b=36+a 9+c b-c=36 (b+4)-c=40 d=40
a=age of the 9 members b=age of the old member(before aging) c=age of the young member(after aging) d=difference(after aging) x=average
If you forget that the replaced member, b, has also aged 4 years, and just take the difference between him and the new member, c, you'll get an answer of 36. But as you can clearly see, taking his age into account, which you have to do, the answer ends up being 40.
This also works if the new member replaces them before they age.
(a 9+b)/10=x ((a+4) 9+(c+4))/10=x d=b-c
((a+4) 9+(c+4))/10=(a 9+b)/10 a 9+36+c+4=a 9+b b-c=40 d=40
a=age of the 9 members b=age of the old member(before aging) c=age of the young member(before aging) d=difference(before aging) x=average
Sorry for any bad formatting, I'm also using a phone.
U explained it pretty Great! Everybody here is the BEST way! I totally agree with you.
..........was this question hard???
so therefore, it is 11-member committee?
I'm so sorry, but the question is not "what is the age difference between them?", it is rather "when have the older one been replaced" or "when did the younger one assume office?"
Answer is definitely 36...
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It is 40 Let x =total years at beginning X+40= total years just before replacement The difference is 40 years so to bring the average back to what it was 4 years ago the replacement must be 40 years younger.
Following Victor's equation:
The answer is actually 32. The old person , who was replaced, has aged 4 years since then. Therefore, we have to further subtract 4 from 36 :)
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Actually, it's the other way around. It is ok to say that the number should be 36 and not 40, but if you solve it that way, you are comparing the age of the old person 4 years ago to the young person today. So the difference of four must be added to 36, making it 40. We can test this too. Suppose the initial age of all members is 60. Therefore the initial average is 60. After 4 years, the average age (to test a difference of 40 years) is (64*9+(64-40))/10 = 60. Therefore, we confirm that 40 is correct.
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Right. Just we have to note that in variables mentioned above x 1 0 is the current age of the younger member and x 1 1 is the current age of older member. So the confusion some people mentioned above of x + 36 instead of x + 40 doesn't arise.
In 4 yrs now,age of 10 members of committee has increased by 10 X4 =40 yrs.Since average are is the same by replacing old guard by young member ,therefore difference of young member in age from old guard is 40 Yrs Ans. K.K.GARG,India
i think the question is ambiguous.
I gave 36 as an answer although I understand 40 now and my mistake as well. Let me explain my path to 36 : let's say the average age 4 years ago is Zold and the average now is Znew. We know Zold = Znew from the statement. (1)
we have Zold = (a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+j)/10. (2) 4 years after we replace j who is too old with x who is much younger. we have then : Znew = ((a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+36)+x)/10. (3)
From (1) we have then (2) = (3) and after some simplifications : j-36 = x. (4)
That means x is younger of 36yrs compared to j.
And here is my mistake. This comparison is of x nowadays to j 4 years ago. I was giving the answer to the following question : "How much younger is the new member of nowadays committee compared to the old member of the committee 4 years ago?" (understand when both committee have the same average age)
Lets then rename j from (1) by Jold (sorry for the capital on normal variable but the automatic formatting is not working for some reasons), and Jnew the nowadays j.
We have then Jnew = Jold+4 (5). and (4) becomes Jold-36 = x.
Therefore the comparison between x and Jnew is : (Jnew-4)-36 = x, so : Jnew-40 = x (6).
Answer is 40 years of age between the new member and the old member nowadays.
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I agree that question is ambiguous. The problem description is missing information when younger member has replaced older one. I had 36 and 40 answers.
This problem is a matter of common sense.
4 years ago
The age of the old man = x
the sum of ages of the other 9 members = y
the average = a
so
x + y = 10 a ................................... (1)
Now
The age of the old man = x + 4
the sum of ages of the other 9 members = y + 36
The age of the young man = z
the average = a
so
z + y + 36 = 10 a ........................(2)
from (1) , (2)
x = z + 36
x + 4 = z + 36 + 4
the age of the old man = the age of the young man + 40
Best solution.
let the set of ages of first 9 people be x and the age of the old person be y,
average (4 years ago)= (x+y)/10
after 4 years, age of 10 people increases by 4 each. that is, 4*10=40
let the age of the young person be z,
therefore, the average of ages now becomes (x+40+z)/10
it is given that the two averages are equal,
therefore, (x+y)/10=(x+40+z)/10
which gives y=z+40
therefore, the new member is younger to the old person by 40 years
Why so big solutions with a, x etc. If by old man vacating the average reduces to 4 year ago average for 10 ppl.. we need not care who replaces him! Just that 10+10+10+10 which happened in 4 years gets back with new member viz. 40!
Let y= Age of the younger member
Let x= CURRENT Age of the old member
*Since both generations are having 10 members each, then the sum of the ages of the current members is equal to the sum of the ages of the old members four years ago.
a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+Y=(a-4)+(b-4)+(c-4)+(d-4)+(e-4)+(f-4)+(g-4)+(h-4)+(i-4)+(X-4)
a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+Y=a+b+c+d+e+f+g+h+i+X-40
By addition property/transposition method:
Y=X-40
.:X-Y=40
Total 10 persons in the committee , avg remains same even after 4 years because of replacing oldest member by youngest member, in order to compensate the avg the age difference between the old and young member is=(years gap * total number of members) = (4*10) = 40.
Just simple 10 ×the difference between =10×4=40
Let the outgoing member's age TODAY be X and the incoming member's age be Y . We will be looking for the value of X - Y .
Further, et the sum of the ages of the 9 constant members of the committee TODAY be A .
Then the sum of their ages 4 YEARS AGO would be A - 36 (each member is younger by 4 years, all nine of them together by (4 x 9) = 36).
And the outgoing member's age 4 YEARS AGO would be X - 4 .
It is given that the average age of the group today, with the new member, is the same as that of 4 years ago, with the old member.
The average age of the group today is 1 0 A + Y
The average age of the group 4 years ago was 1 0 ( A − 3 6 ) + ( X − 4 ) = 1 0 A + X − 4 0
Therefore, A + Y = A + X − 4 0
(the two fractions above are equal, and since the denominators are also equal, the numerators must be equal)
Re-arranging, we get X − Y = 4 0 , Q.E.D.
Let the old member be Z, the young member be A and the sum of the ages of all the other members be Y.
As stated in the questions 1 0 Y + Z - 4 = 1 0 Y + A
Then Y + Z - 40 = Y + A
Therefore, Z - A = 40
Average age of committee at t y = 0 consisting of 9 members of the age x 1 . . x 9 and the old member of the age x A , 0 :
f ( t y = 0 ) = 1 0 ( i = 1 ∑ 9 x i ) + x A
Average age at t y = 4 after replacement of old member of the age x A , t y = 4 by the young member of the age x B :
f ( t y = 4 ) = 1 0 ( i = 1 ∑ 9 x i + t y ) + x B = 1 0 ( i = 1 ∑ 9 x i ) + 9 ⋅ t y + x B
Equal average age at t y = 0 and t y = 4 :
f ( t y = 0 ) = f ( t y = 4 ) ⟹ 1 0 ( i = 1 ∑ 9 x i ) + x A , 0 = 1 0 ( i = 1 ∑ 9 x i ) + 9 ⋅ t y + x B ⟹ x A , 0 = 9 ⋅ t y + x B
At t y = 4 the old member has aged 4 years since t y = 0 , so:
x A , t y = 4 = x A , 0 + t y = x A , 0 + 4
The absolute difference in age between the old member and the young member:
∣ x A , t y − x B ∣ = ∣ x A , 0 + t y − x B ∣ = ∣ 9 ⋅ t y + x B + t y − x B ∣ = ∣ 1 0 ⋅ t y ∣ = ∣ 1 0 ⋅ 4 ∣ = 4 0
That is, how many years younger is the new member than the old member is NOW (not how many years younger is the new member than the old member was four years ago).
That's right, we want to find the difference between their current ages.
Let's let S = the sum of the ages of the unchanged members of the committee now, Y = age of new member, E = age of old member. We can set up the average comparison as follows:
(S + Y)/10 = (S-36 + E-4)/10
Solving for E-Y,
S + Y = S - 36 + E - 4
40 = E - Y
As we can see, the younger member was 40 years younger than the older one when he was replaced today, so the answer is 40.
It should be 36.
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At first take any 10 types of ages that should be (20 and above) and then add them. Find out the average. Then add 4 years to all members ages which will increase the total of their ages by 40 years which is your answer.
The correct answer would be 40 because we compare the age of the two in the same time: 36 would be right if he we compare the older persons age at 4 years ago with the younger persons present age.
Eg: let O=Older person 4years ago Let A=the other nine 4years ago Let X=average age Let Y=Younger person present day Let Ot=Older person present day
(O+A)/10 = X "4years ago" (Y+A+4*9)/10=X "Present day" Also Ot=O+4 "Aged 4 years"
Thus X=X
O+A=Y+A+4 9 Ot-4=Y+4 9 Ot = Y+40
Thus the older person today is 40 years older thank the younger man today. Remember you can't compare the 4 years ago age of the older person to the present day age of the younger person. It should be in the same time.
The correct answer is 36, because everyone is multiplying 4 years to all 10 members, but the it should be 9, one is changing
The sum of all ages increases by 40 in 4 years. So to maintain the same average after 4 years we should subtract 40 from the new sum of all ages. Therefore is obvious that the new members age must be 40 years less!
let n=new members age x = average age of one member
since one member left, it is 9x (9 original members). then "n" is added, as it is the new members age which is a variable by itself
9x+n/10 = 10(x-4)/10
n + 9x = 10x - 40
thus n = x-40
the difference would be 40
We don't need to worry about the average (division by 10). The sum of the ages of the 10 members must be the same now and 4 years ago:
Let the sum of their ages 4 years ago be: X1+X2+X3+.........+O
and the sum of their ages now be: (X1+4) +(X2+4)+(X3+4)+........(O+4) where O stands for the oldest member
X1+X2+X3+.........+O ≠ (X1+4) +(X2+4)+(X3+4)+........(O+4)
≠ X1+X2+X3+.........+O+40
To make both sides equal, we need to replace O by O - 40 , Let is call it Y (for youngest)
X1+X2+X3+.........+O = X1+X2+X3+.........+Y where Y = O - 40
(number of members)X(number of years ago)=(number of years in between the old member and the new member)
10X4=40
Let x represent all members excluding old member and new member
Let y represent old member being replaced
Let z represent new member replacing.
9(x-4)+ (y-4) = 9x + z
9x - 36 + y - 4 = 9x + z
y - 40 = z
OR
y = z + 40
Let the average = x y = the age of the young (new member) subtracted from the age of the old (replaced)
In 4 years, 10x = 9(x+4) + (x+4-y) 10x = 9x+36 + x+4-y y = 40
Suppose the committee's total age 4 years ago is x. By now it would be x + 40. So to make it x again by replacing one member, the new member should be 40 years younger.
I think answer will be 36 if the new guy replaces the old one after the 4years. But if it is at the start like he replaced old guy 4 years ago then answer is 40.
Question is imprecise. It should ask "how many years younger" not "how much younger". The correct answer as written is "40 years", not "40" ("4 decades" is also a correct answer as written).
X = old, Y = young, A = sum others today. So, we have : (A + X - 40)/10 = (A + Y)/10 Hence, X - 40 = Y
Obviously the age of each member of the committee is not relevant!
Let assume that all old members have the same age, let it be "b"!
Let "a" the common age (and the average) 4 years ago!
b = a + 4
Let n - the age of the newcomer.
The sum of ages must be the same now and 4 years ago:
10 x a = 9 x (a + 4) + n ==> n = a - 36
Warning: "a" is the age they had 4 years ago.
Nowadays the common age of the members is b = a+4 and:
n = b - 40 . Answer: younger with 40 years
Let the age of all the members be denoted as x1,x2,......x10. Now,we have that {x1 + x2 +......+x9 + y}/10 = {(x1 -4) + (x2 - 4)+......+(x10 - 4)}/10 Therefore, Y = X10 + 40 or Y - X10 = 40.So,the age difference is 40 years.
age of commitee 4 years ago = y
age of commitee now = y
age of the old member = x
age of the young member = t
y = y + 4 0 − x + t
0 = 4 0 − x + t
x − t = 4 0
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Let the total age of the group be a and the total average 1 0 a .
If each original member stayed in their job, each of the 10 would have aged by 4 years, since we have to add 40 years to the groups total age after 4 years.
x = is the number subtracted from the total age of the group after 4 years on account of the new member being younger.
We then have 1 0 a = 1 0 a + 4 0 − x )
For both sides to be equal it must mean that x=40, hence this how much younger the new member was.