Not That Simple!

A cylinder contains a fluid of some density. At a distance R R from the centre of the base of the cylinder, a string of length L L is connected, other end of which is connected to a light ball. Initially there is tension in the string. Now this whole assembly is rotated with angular velocity ω \omega about an axis passing through the centre of the cylinder. (As shown in the figure).

When rotated, It is found that the vertical depression of the light ball is H H .

Find ω \omega (Angular velocity of rotation)

Given:

g = 10 m/s 2 g= 10 \text{ m/s}^{2} .

L = 1 m L= 1\text{ m} .

H = 0.5 m H= 0.5\text{ m} .

R = 2 m R= 2 \text{ m} .

The interesting fact is that the answer doesn't depend on the densities of the fluid and the ball, but the direction in which the ball moves depends on the respective densities.

Hint : If you think the ball moves away from the axis, you might be wrong!

Enter your answer to the nearest integer.


The answer is 4.

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Exact answer comes out to be ω = 20 3 4 3 \omega = \sqrt{\dfrac{20\sqrt{3}}{4-\sqrt{3}}}

Can you please post a proper solution?

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 6 months ago

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I'll post a solution probably by day after tomorrow because i am bit buzy today and tomorrow.

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 6 months ago

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OK ,sorry to disturb you.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 6 months ago

it's been a week, where's your solution?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 6 months ago

@Harsh Shrivastava could u post a solution

Zerocool 141 - 4 years, 2 months ago

@Harsh Shrivastava how did u get the result??

Please Please - 3 years, 2 months ago
Jatin Chauhan
May 14, 2016

This problem is absolutely irrelevant. However I got the ans. Correct but I am not satisfied.

And why do you think it is irrelevant?

Ayush Shridhar - 5 years, 1 month ago

Well buoyancy is the result of lressure difference .In horizontal direction we must take te pressure difference of the ball. Which would be tending to zero because of the small size of the ball and we cant take it as w^2 × distance from axis.

Jatin Chauhan - 5 years ago
Ayush Shridhar
May 4, 2016

Since it is given that this is a light ball, and there is tension initially, its density has to be lower than that of the fluid. Proper calculation shows that it will in fact move towards the axis , and not away from it ,like most people think

Sorry to say , but your one argument is wrong!

If the ball's density would have been more , the case isn't possible as it will sink!

I think u must remove yr arguments about deviation of ball(from the q) , that makes this q a bit simpler for others

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 1 month ago

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Oh yeah! Thanks for noticing!

Ayush Shridhar - 5 years, 1 month ago

Okay, but how do you reason this theoretically? I mean if the system rotates, the ball feels a centrifugal force that tends to push it away from the axis.

For it to move towards the axis, a force mus exceed this force, hence pulling it in. What force is this?

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 1 month ago

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It's the buoyant force in horizontal direction due to the accelerating fluid which, since the fluid is denser than the ball, exceeds the centrifugal force acting on the ball.

All of this is from the frame of reference of the ball, of course.

Arpit Jain - 5 years, 1 month ago

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@Arpit Jain My doubt was in the inertial frame of an external observer...is it just the push of water then??

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 1 month ago

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