Oblique Coordinates

Geometry Level 1

Did you know that we can have coordinate systems where the coordinate axes are not perpendicular to each other? Such coordinate systems are known as oblique coordinate systems .

The above figure shows an oblique coordinate system. In such systems, the x x -coordinate of a point is found by measuring the distance from the point to the y y -axis parallel to the x x -axis. Similarly, the y y -coordinate of a point is found by measuring the distance from the point to the x x -axis parallel to the y y -axis. The red point in the above figure has the coordinates ( a , b ) (a, b) .

Question: We are given two points: A ( 1 , 6 ) A \ (1,6) and B ( 5 , 2 ) B \ (5,2) in an oblique coordinate system where the angle between the positive axes is 6 0 60^{\circ} . What is the distance between the two points, A B AB ?


The answer is 4.

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3 solutions

Pranshu Gaba
Mar 27, 2016

There are many ways to solve this problem. In this solution, I will be using using vectors.

Let the unit vectors along + x +x and + y +y directions be i ^ \hat{i} and j ^ \hat{j} respectively. Note that the angle between the two vectors is 6 0 60 ^{\circ} . We will calculate the value of the dot product i ^ j ^ \hat{i} \cdot \hat{j} since it will be useful in the working ahead.

i ^ j ^ = i ^ × j ^ × cos 6 0 = 1 × 1 × 1 2 = 1 2 \begin{aligned} \hat{i} \cdot \hat{j} & = \lvert \hat{i} \rvert \times |\hat{j} | \times \cos 60^{\circ} \\ & = 1 \times 1 \times \frac{1}{2} \\ & = \frac{1}{2} \end{aligned}

The position vector of point A A is O A = i ^ + 6 j ^ \vec{OA} = \hat{i} + 6 \hat{ j} , and the position vector of point B B is O B = 5 i ^ + 2 j ^ \vec{OB} = 5 \hat{i} + 2 \hat{j} . Using this, we can find the vector A B \vec{AB} .

A B = O B O A = 4 i ^ 4 j ^ \vec{AB} = \vec{OB} - \vec{OA} = 4 \hat{i} - 4 \hat{j}

We want to find A B |\vec{AB}| , the length of vector A B \vec{AB} . We can do this by taking the dot product of A B \vec{AB} with itself. We get A B A B = A B 2 \vec{AB} \cdot \vec{AB} = |\vec{AB}|^{2} . Using the value of A B \vec{AB} we found earlier, we can also write

A B A B = ( 4 i ^ 4 j ^ ) ( 4 i ^ 4 j ^ ) = 16 i ^ i ^ 16 i ^ j ^ 16 j ^ i ^ + 16 j ^ j ^ \begin{aligned} \vec{AB} \cdot \vec{AB} & = (4 \hat{i} - 4\hat{j}) \cdot (4 \hat{i} - 4\hat{j}) \\ & = 16 \hat{i} \cdot \hat{i} - 16 \hat{i} \cdot \hat{j} - 16 \hat{j} \cdot \hat{i} + 16 \hat{j} \cdot \hat{j} \end{aligned}

We saw that i ^ i ^ = j ^ j ^ = 1 \hat{i} \cdot \hat{i} = \hat{j} \cdot \hat{j} = 1 and i ^ j ^ = j ^ i ^ = 1 2 \hat{i} \cdot \hat{j} = \hat{j} \cdot \hat{i} = \frac{1}{2} . Therefore

A B 2 = 16 8 8 + 16 = 16 |\vec{AB}|^{2} = 16 - 8 - 8 + 16 = 16

Therefore A B = 16 = 4 |\vec{AB}| = \sqrt{16} = 4 _\square


Bonus If the angle between the positive axes is ω \omega , then find the distance between the points ( x 1 , y 1 ) (x_{1}, y_{1} ) and ( x 2 , y 2 ) (x_{2}, y_{2})

( x 1 c o s ω x 2 c o s ω ) 2 + ( y 1 s i n ω y 2 s i n ω ) 2 \sqrt{(x_{1}cos{\omega} - x_{2}cos{\omega})^{2} + (y_{1}sin{\omega} - y_{2}sin{\omega})^2}

Nabh Spandan - 5 years, 1 month ago
展豪 張
Mar 27, 2016

B A = ( 4 , 4 ) B-A=(4,-4)
Draw on the paper and you will see that ( 0 , 0 ) , ( 4 , 4 ) , ( 4 , 0 ) (0,0), (4,-4), (4,0) forms a equilateral triangle (because of the 6 0 60^\circ ).
( 4 , 4 ) = 4 \therefore \vert(4,-4)\vert = 4
Answer = 4 =4


Krutarth Shah
Mar 30, 2019

For people who do not know vector algebra, there is a solution with coordinate geometry,(I am using the logic of a 13-year-old (me))

We can observe that if we have perpendicular lines instead of 6 0 60^\circ we can easily solve the problem. So let us try to find the perpendicular distance of only one point. Let the point be P ( x , y ) P(x, y) in the oblique system. Draw the lines perpendicular to P P and oblique to P P . Let the Point where the oblique line meets x-axis be A A and the point of intersection of the perpendicular line and x-axis be B B .

Since P A PA || y-axis, P A B = 6 0 \angle PAB = 60^\circ Now, we can find P B , O B PB, OB (Perpendicular y, x) by trigonometry. s i n 6 0 = P B / y sin 60^\circ = PB/y \Rightarrow P B = 3 × y 2 PB = \frac{\sqrt{3} \times y}{2} ) and c o s 6 0 = A B / y cos 60^\circ = AB/y \Rightarrow A B = y 2 AB = \frac{y}{2} ) \Rightarrow O B = y 2 + x OB = \frac{y}{2}\ + x

Now we have found the formulas for the perpendiculars. Let us now come back to the question: Distance between ( 1 , 6 ) a n d ( 5 , 2 ) (1, 6) and (5, 2)

Putting into the formulas perpendicular y-distance for ( 1 , 6 ) (1, 6) = 3 3 3\sqrt{3} and x- distance = 4 4

Similarly for ( 5 , 2 ) (5, 2)\rightarrow y-distance = 3 \sqrt{3} and x - distance = 6 6

Since all of these are only perpendicular distances, we can use the normal distance formula:

d = ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 + ( y 2 y 1 ) 2 d = \sqrt{(x_2 - x_1)^2 + (y_2 - y_1)^2}

Putting the values, we get 4 4 as the answer

If you have any suggestion or a better solution, please comment. If any part is confusing, comment and I will try to explain it further.

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