8 resistors (orange color) are connected to form a regular octagon. 8 more resistors (blue color) connect the vertices of the octagon to its center. All the 16 resistors are of resistance 4 2 0 Ω .
If the connecting wires have negligible resistance, calculate the equivalent resistance (in ohms, rounded to the nearest integer) between the terminals A and B .
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Rohit please tell how to apply the series and parallel combinations
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The resistors that are connected in the same branch are in series and the branches whose both ends are connected together are in the parallel.
In series combination, the equivalent resistance become R 1 + R 2 and in the parallel combination the equivalent resistance become R e f f 1 = R 1 1 + R 2 1 .
You may find the more details in series and parallel resistors .
Pardon my ignorance, but how do you know in which direction the current flows through each resistor?
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Initially, I assumed that current I enters into the terminal A and then breaks into three unequal parts. The same current must come out of the terminal B . Now, as all the vertices are identical, therefore, the current must come out of B in the very same way as it enters at A . Therefore, I distributed the current accordingly.
What if it is not symmetrical? What if I take out one blue resistor? What if the shape is heptagon (7 sides)? How do we calculate then?
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If the system is not symmetric then I think Steven's solution below is a better way to approach the problem.
"The current is distributed in such a way that the junction at the center of the octagon can be broken as shown in the diagram"
how do you choose this particular breaking up of the central junction?
Exactly the way I solve these type of question.
which is the formula used ...i didnt get it ...man
from where is this formula derived plllzzzzz. teeeellllll mee....
I'm sure that someone will post a clever solution, but this is also a nice problem for practicing forming the "Y Bus" or "Nodal Admittance Matrix" for a system. Label the node voltages V 1 through V 7 as shown in the (equally shabby) picture. For simplicity, assume that we have a 1 V source connected between A and B , and that each resistor has a value of 1 Ω . We will multiply by 420 at the end.
Nodal Admittance Matrix Formation Rules (Note: "Admittance" refers to the reciprocal of resistance):
1) Populate the diagonal terms with the sum of the admittances connected to each corresponding node.
2) Populate the off-diagonal terms with the negative of the admittance between the two corresponding nodes.
The rule for populating the vector on the other side is:
If the node is connected to a node with a known voltage, populate the corresponding entry in the vector with the known voltage multiplied by the admittance between the node and the known voltage.
This is all just a quick and convenient shorthand for the traditional nodal analysis. Using these rules, we can easily form the system shown below.
Inverting and pre-multiplying gives (we only need V 1 and V 7 ):
V 1 = 0 . 6 8 9 6 5 5 1 7 2 , V 7 = 0 . 5
The current from the source is:
I s r c = 1 1 − V 1 + 1 1 − V 7 + 1 1 − 0 ≈ 1 . 8 1 0 3 4 4 8 2 8
The equivalent resistance is:
R e q = I s r c 1 ≈ 0 . 5 5 2 3 8 0 9 5 2 4 2 0 ∗ R e q ≈ 2 3 2
Although this is long, I like the down-to-the-metal approach. It's a good way to inspect the problem for symmetries that can perhaps generalize to other circumstances.
@Steven Chase that 's the first time I saw this Nodal Admittance Matrix Formation method.Its a nice method. I just solved the problem using vertical symmetry assuming all resistors as R.I got my final answer as 58/105 R. Substituting R = 420 ohms, we get 232 ohms.
Really nice method! I noticed that if the admittance matrix is denoted as R 1 , then the matrix equation is R V = I , which is Ohm's law! I believe this method would be advantageous in complex circuits; we could simply make the Nodal Admittance Matrix and let the computer compute the solution.
I was wondering if the matrix would always be invertible. Could there be some arrangement of resistors for which the matrix would be non-invertible?
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Indeed. This is what commercial software does. Generally, I find that if the matrix is not invertible, it means that the system is under-constrained, permitting multiple solutions. There are certain cases under which this arises. I'll try to think of some specific examples and perhaps post on it.
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Please do. Anyway to tag me if you do?
If the admittance matrix is singular, there can be either multiple solutions (system is underconstrained) or none at all (system is ill-defined, i.e. fixed sources defy some linear combination of KCL, KVL and/or branch equations)
It's basically just a multi-variate version of Ohm's Law, as you mentioned.
Assume all resistors as R .
A regular octagon has a vertical line of symmetry so we just apply Vertical Symmetry to the resistor system.
Then applying parallel and series combinations repetitively, we get final answer as 1 0 5 5 8 R . Now we just have to substitute R = 4 2 0 o h m s . Thus R e q = 1 0 5 5 8 ∗ 4 2 0 = 2 3 2 O h m s
Symmetry is a very good concept for solving complex circuits.You can understand it better here .
Question is original and made by me (with some inspiration from a h e x a g o n system from INJSO 2015).Hope you liked it.
A regular octagon has a vertical line of symmetry so we just apply Vertical Symmetry to the resistor system.
Can you explain what this line means? Doesn't a regular octagon have more than just the vertical symmetry?
@Agnishom Chattopadhyay yes I used vertical symmetry you may use horizontal symmetry as well.
@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Its too long to explain here but the concept of symmetry is used to solve very complex circuits having lines of symmetry, for example instead of the octagon in the question what if there was a hexagon, or a square with diagonals joined ? If you google it, you will understand it.There are many websites on this topic.
I changed some deltas to stars and used the balanced bridge network and got 231 from my phone calculator. The actual answer I got was was less than this number. So where did I miss the 1? Not able to figure it Mallesh K S
An interesting question :) I have a Physics degree (from 51 years ago) but never came across the 'vertical symmetry' concept - unless I've forgotten ! Stimulating.
I want to solve more problems on circuits having high degree of symmetry. Can you please tell the source where i can practice it? Some book?
@Priyanshu Mishra Refer to DC Pandey Electricity and Magnetism.Open the Capacitors chapter and at the end of it various such methods are discussed of solving such systems.
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No, i have completed that book already. Tell other book except Resnick Halliday, HC VERMA, IRODOV, SS KROTOV , PURCELL PHYSICS, University Physics.
If you know any other good book, then recommend.
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Let current I enters at the terminal A , the same amount of current must exit at the terminal B . The circuit is symmetric about the perpendicular bisector of the line A B , thus, rest of the current can be distributed as shown in the diagram (the circuit in left).
The current is distributed in such a way that the junction at the center of the octagon can be broken as shown in the diagram (the circuit in right) without affecting the distribution of the current.
The final circuit can be easily solved by repetitively applying the series and parallel combinations to get R eff = 1 0 5 5 8 × 4 2 0 = 2 3 2 Ω .