c m 3 , is it possible to maximize its TOTAL (not lateral) surface area?
Given a cylinder with a fixed volume of 900Hint: This problem is easiest to visualize while optimizing by using variable r = radius and h = height.
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I am quite sure that there is a maximum surface area! Whenever you have numbers and you're told one thing about them and asked for their product, the closer together they are, the larger their product is. So for example, if 2 numbers add up to 14, their maximum possible product is 49, because you treat them as if they are the same. So for this, we let x be the height and the radius squared. When we solve, we find x is the square root of 900 divided by pi. Plugging this in for surface area gets the answer: 543.868217882.
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There is no maximum area. One way to test this is to plug in different values and see that all of them will give surface areas larger than 543. Your argument only holds in some special cases. You can verify yourself that all of Jordan's calculations are correct.
We have that V = π r 2 h = 9 0 0 . We know that the surface area of the cylinder is S = 2 π r h + 2 π r 2 . From the equation for Volume we know that π r h = r 9 0 0 and π r 2 = h 9 0 0 . Making these substitutions in to the Surface Area equation yields:
S = 1 8 0 0 ( r 1 + h 1 )
In order to maximise the surface area, we must maximise the value of r 1 + h 1 . This is done by minimising the values of r and h . We note that as r → 0 and h → 0 , r 1 + h 1 → ∞ . This means that the radius and height can be made infinitely small and the surface area can be made infinitely large implying that there is no maximum surface area. Hence the answer is: N o , b e c a u s e t h e m a x i m u m s u r f a c e a r e a d o e s n o t e x i s t .
nice, really creative and simple :)
Basically, you can make a cylinder with a radius of infinite size and a height that is arbitrarily small. Thus, since the radius is infinitely long, our two bases have an infinite surface area, which proves that our cylinder has no maximum surface area.
This one is really nice! No equations, nothing! Just smashed it up using qualitative reasoning. Too good :D
Interestingly, I used an arbitrarily high cylinder with arbitrarily small base. Same idea, just differently executed.
I don't agree with this answer, because surface area includes the top and bottom cylinder too. This will give a maximum for h=2r.
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That is exactly the mistake I did. I later on noticed that h = 2 r actually gives you the minimum. You can confirm that by double differentiating the Area Function. You will find that after substituting this relation, it is positive , which means that it is the minimum , and not the maximum.
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You are absolutely right...I didn't check that.
ya its will be minimum .. (y)
The volume of a cylinder is given by V = π r 2 h . The surface area is given as the sum of the top, bottom and side area, A = 2 π r 2 + 2 π r h . Since V is fixed ( V = 9 0 0 c m 3 ), we have h = π r 2 V . Substitution into the formula for A gives A = r 2 V + 2 π r 2 Now we observe that r → + ∞ lim A = ∞ (which is also true as r → 0 + , but that doesn't matter). This means that the surface area gets arbitrarily big as r → + ∞ , so there is no maximum area (the solution for d r d A = 0 is a minimum, which can be verified).
Total Surface area = 2 pi r h + 2 pi r^2. and volume = pi * r^2 * h =900. After substituting h in terms of r and On double differentiating, we get : 3600/(r^3). Now if double differentiation gives positive value, then no maxima can be possible.
First, the surface area could be expressed as 2 π r 2 + 2 π r h
As V = π r 2 h = 9 0 0 , h = r 9 0 0
The formula can then be re-written as 2 π r 2 h + r 1 8 0 0
Differentiating this gives 4 π r − r 2 1 8 0 0 , the second derivative gives 4 π + r 3 3 6 0 0
As this is always positive because r must be positive, this outputs a minimum surface area and we must find a way of optimizing.
The maximum of r is π 4 5 0 where the surface area consists of only the 2 circles and where the height is zero.
The maximum of 2 π r 2 h + r 1 8 0 0 in the interval 0 < r < π 4 5 0 is infinity as r approaches 0.
Therefore, there is no maximum surface area.
apologies, the last half was only possible with wolframalpha
Maximizing the surface area requires a change in the volume of the cylinder, which is fixed in this case.
Increasing the surface area of a cylinder will either increase its volume or deform the cylinder itself. Hence, for a given volume of a cylinder, its surface area is unique, & no 'maximum surface area" exists.
As r gets very big, S approaches infinity. Similarly, as r gets very small, S also approaches infinity.
To visualize this, if you squash the cylinder so that it has a tiny height, the bases can be expanded to keep the volume constant. Since the bases can be expanded to any size, the maximum surface area is infinite. If you squeeze the cylinder so that it has a tiny radius but large height, surface area would also increase, but it's a bit harder to see this intuitively
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We know that the volume of a cylinder is π r 2 h so π r 2 h = 9 0 0 . We can then rearrange for h, h = π r 2 9 0 0 . We must now find a formula for the total surface area (S) of a cylinder which is just the bottom and top areas plus the curved surface area so S = 2 π r 2 + 2 π r h . We can then use our equation for h to rewrite the equation for the surface area so that it only depends upon the radius, S = 2 π r 2 + π ⋅ r 2 2 ⋅ 9 0 0 ⋅ π ⋅ r = 2 π r 2 + r 1 8 0 0 . We can differentiate this with respect to r once and set equal to 0 to find any stationary points (minimums,maximums). d r d S = 4 π r − r 2 1 8 0 0 = 0 ⟹ r 2 1 8 0 0 = 4 π r ⟹ 4 5 0 = π r 3 ⟹ r = 3 π 4 5 0 . There is therefore only a single stationary point. If we take the second derivative of S with respect to r we can determine this stationary points nature i.e. whether it is a maximum or minimum. d r 2 d 2 S = 4 π + r 3 3 6 0 0 . If we now plug in the value of r at our stationary point we get d r 2 d 2 S r = π 4 5 0 = 4 π + π 4 5 0 3 6 0 0 = 4 π + 8 π = 1 2 π . d r 2 d 2 S > 0 ⟹ that the stationary point is a minimum as we have only one stationary point the surface area has no maximum i.e. The maximum surface area does not exist.