Pairing

Algebra Level 5

How many pairs ( a , b ) (a, b) , where a a and b b are real numbers, are there such that whenever c c is a root of the equation x 2 + a x + b = 0 x^2+ax+b=0 , c 2 2 c^2-2 is also a root of the equation?


The answer is 6.

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1 solution

Thahir Pc
Jul 14, 2014

Consider the equation x+ax+b=0. It has two roots(not necessairly real), say 'c' and 'd'. Either c=d or c≠d. CASE 1: Suppose c=d, so that c is a double root. Since c-2 is also a root, the only possibility is c=c²-2 This reduce to (c+1)(c-2)=0. Hence c=-1 or c=2. Observe that a=-2c and b=c² thus ab=(2,1) or (-4,4). CASE 2 : Suppose c≠d. There are four possibilities; (1)c=c²-2 and d=d²-2 (2)c=d²-2 and d=c²-2 (3)c=c²-2=d²-2 and c≠d (4)d=c²-2=d²-2 and c≠d. (1)Here (c, d) =(2,-1)or(-1,2). Hence (a, b) =(-(c+d), cd) =(-1,-2). (2)suppose c=d²-2and d=c²-2. Then c-d=d²-c²=(d-c)(d+c). Since c≠d, we get d+c=-1. However, we also have c+d =d²+c²-4=(c+d)²-2cd-4. Thus -1=1-2cd-4, which implies that cd=-1. Therefore (a, b)=(-(c+d), cd)=(1,-1). (3)If c=c²-2=d²-2 and c≠d, then c=-d. Thus c=2, d=-2 or c=-1,d=1. In such case (a, b)=(0,-4) and (0,-1). (4)Note that d=c²-2=d²-2 and c≠d is identical to (3),so that we get exactly same pairs (a, b). Thus we get 6 pairs; (a,b)=(-4,4), (2,1),(-1,-2),(1,-1),(0,-4),(0,-1).

You lost me at " a = 2 c a=-2c and b = c 2 b=c^2 ." Could you explain this part a little more please?

John M. - 6 years, 11 months ago

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a = 2 c a=-2c and b = c 2 b=c^2 are based on Vieta's formula which in this case gives a=-(sum of the roots) and b=product of the roots since the coefficient of the first term is 1. The condition he was looking at for the first case was c = d c=d so the sum of the roots would be 2 c 2c and the product would be c 2 c^2

bob hemajabalobin - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Thank you. And since Brilliant wants me to type more words, I'll type up a joke: or maybe not. Thanks

John M. - 6 years, 11 months ago

What about three solutions when b=0 - (2,0), (sqwr2,0), (-sqwr2,0)????

Сергей Кротов - 6 years, 11 months ago

This is a similar RMO question that I did.

Abhigyan Shekhar - 6 years, 8 months ago

c'est incomplet il y a d'autre solution.

Omar El Mokhtar - 6 years, 5 months ago

Well done!

Gaurav Pandey - 6 years, 10 months ago

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