Period, period

Algebra Level 2

f ( x ) , \color{#D61F06}f(x), g ( x ) , \color{#3D99F6}g(x), and the function h ( x ) = f ( x ) + g ( x ) {\color{#EC7300}h(x)}={\color{#D61F06}f(x)}+{\color{#3D99F6}g(x)} have fundamental periods of 3 , 3, 4 , 4, and lcm ( 3 , 4 ) = 12 , \text{lcm}(3,4)=12, respectively.

If p ( x ) p(x) and q ( x ) q(x) have fundamental periods 2 2 and π , \pi, respectively, what is the fundamental period of r ( x ) = p ( x ) + q ( x ) ? r(x)=p(x)+q(x)?

2 2 π \pi 2 π 2\pi 4 π 2 4\pi^2 The function is not periodic

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9 solutions

Kelvin Hong
Jun 11, 2018

The answer is undefined , not 2 π 2\pi .

Why is the answer behavior like that? Let's look at f ( 3 , 4 ) = 12 f(3,4)=12 . In period 12 s 12s , the first wave could complete four turns, and the second wave can complete three turns. It is all integer number of turns, so the answer is valid.

But if we look at f ( 2 , π ) f(2,\pi) , and assume the answer is 2 π 2\pi , then in the period 2 π 2\pi , the first wave could complete π \pi turns and the second wave can complete 2 2 turns. This time, only the second wave have complete integer numbers of the period but not the first, yet we couldn't find any number of f ( 2 , π ) = k f(2,\pi)=k that satisfy both k 2 \dfrac k2 and k π \dfrac k\pi to be integers, so the value of this function will be u n d e f i n e d \boxed{undefined} .

It looks like this problem has been changed in a couple of ways since you wrote this answer.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Ya, question have been changed totally...

Kelvin Hong - 2 years, 11 months ago

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The mods here will do that sometimes. It looks like the idea is intact: add two periodic functions, the ratio of their periods being irrational, and the result is not periodic. Or as you had put it, the period is undefined.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 11 months ago
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Jun 12, 2018

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Dhawal Chelani - 2 years, 11 months ago

If a wave travels it's first period or lambda it is 2π and the next wave is 4π so these waves p(x) and q(x) go non periodically i.e 2π and 2π

Dhruv Sheth - 2 years, 9 months ago
Marta Reece
Jun 22, 2018

For the function to be periodic, an integer number of periods length 2 would have to be equal to an integer number of periods length π \pi . Since π \pi is irrational, this is not possible and the function is not periodic.

Then undefined is a clear answer since ther's no clear fundamental period but how can you prove there couln't exist any period?

Pau Cantos - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Let's say you had a period T for the function h. Then during that period, both f and g must complete some integer number of cycles. Since the fundamental periods of f and g are 2 and pi, respectively, we need T/2 and T/pi to both be integers, which is not possible because at least one must be irrational.

Justin Park - 2 years, 11 months ago
Paul Cockburn
Jun 26, 2018

If the function r(x) were periodic then its period must be an integer multiple of the periods of p(x) and q(x) . So for some integers a and b, we would have 2a = b π \pi . But then π \pi would = 2a/b and we know π \pi is irrational.

Ajay Raj
Jun 27, 2018

None of the first four options satisfies the equation.

Barry Evans
Jun 29, 2018

pi's irrational, so anything you multiply it by will never be an even integer

A little bit confusing, should say any integer multiply with π \pi will never be an even integer.

Kelvin Hong - 2 years, 11 months ago

How about π 0 \pi\cdot 0 ? That's an integer. Also, π 1 π \pi\cdot \frac{1}{\pi}

Alex Mandelias - 2 years, 10 months ago
Ariijit Dey
Jul 1, 2018

L C M ( a , b ) LCM(a,b) or G C D ( a , b ) GCD(a,b) is defined when a a and b b are precisely on the same subset of C \mathbb{C} i.e L C M ( 42 , 84 ) LCM(42,84) is 84 84 wheras L C M ( 42 , 42 + i 84 ) LCM(42,42+i84) is NOT DEFINED ; in a similar fashion L C M ( 2 , π ) LCM(2,\pi) is not defined ; To understand this concept one need to get hold of the underlying concepts of measure theory which explains the fundamental arithmetic from a different altogether approach; for ex: multiplication by k is stretching of the number line by k units etc.

Alex Jones
Jun 28, 2018

For trig function y=A+sinBX, the period is given by 2pi/B. Thus we can work backwards and create functions with periods 2 and pi, namely y=pi x and y=2x. The sum of these functions is y=pi x+2x, and plugging in each of the first four options shows that none of these are the period, so the answer must be D.

Arijit Sinha
Jun 27, 2018

The ans is option D. Simply because l.c.m. of a rational and an irrational is not possible. So r is non-periodic.

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