On planet Brilliantia, there are two types of creatures: mathematicians and non-mathematicians.
Mathematicians tell the truth 7 6 of the time and lie only 7 1 of the time, while non-mathematicians tell the truth 5 1 of the time and lie 5 4 of the time.
It is also known that there is a 3 2 chance a creature from Brilliantia is a mathematician and a 3 1 chance that it is a non-mathematician, but there is no way of differentiating from these two types.
You are visiting Brilliantia on a research trip. During your stay, you come across a creature who states that it has found a one line proof for Fermat's Last Theorem. Immediately after that, a second creature shows up and states that the first creature's statement was a true one.
If the probability that the first creature's statement was actually true is b a , for some coprime positive integers a , b , find the value of b − a .
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Nice problem--
The only thing is, you assume that non-mathematicians are as likely to find a one-line proof for Fermat's Last Theorem as mathematicians. Is that reasonable?
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exactly...if they can find one line proof for fermats it`s reasonable to assume automatically they are mathenaticians
I don't know why he framed a question without using a little common sense.
That's the kind of solution we all should consider posting. Very well detailed but compact. Upvoted 👍.
If A is the event that statement told by the first person is true and B denotes the event that, that Second person said that First person is speaking truth. can you please explain.
How P ( A ∩ B ) represents all True value ? How P ( B ) represents all the value ?
how are you assuming that creature 2 will say the truth if creature 1 is truthful and will lie if 1 is lying? Aren't the two creatures independent?
The problem is not clearly stated.Many important information are not given .For those who are confused go to the similar level 3 problem and see the solution (reply) by Johnny Micic.
What is the prior probability you assign to the claim 'I have found a one-line proof of Fermat's Last Theorem' ? And is it the same for mathematicians and non-mathematicians?
I suggest you remove the red herring reference to FLT and change it to '... states that it flipped a fair coin and it landed heads ...'.
Is there a typo in the Math|Non-math|False row? There we have 2/3 that the first guy is a mathematician and 1/7 that a mathematician would lie, and 1/3 that the second guy is a non-mathematician. Shouldn't we then have 4/5 that a non-mathematician would lie?
I agree with Arjen below that this question really can't be answered without knowing "prior" probabilities for the truth of the claim in question. If you think, independently of their testimony, that it is highly unlikely that the claim is true, then you will take their statements more as evidence that they are non-mathematicians than that the claim is true (even though your "posterior" probability that the claim is true will go up a little bit). We need to suppose that the fact that these statements have been made is one's only basis for assessing their likelihood. You could fix this by saying, you come across two creatures and your interpreter tells you only that the first has made a statement and the second has said that the first's statement was true.
The probability the any statement said on Brilliantia is true is 3 2 ⋅ 7 6 + 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 = 1 0 5 6 7 .
The probability the any statement said on Brilliantia is a false is 1 − 1 0 5 6 7 = 1 0 5 3 8 .
If the first statement is true, and the second creature says it's true, the second creature must be telling the truth. The probability of that is ( 1 0 5 6 7 ) 2 = 1 1 0 2 5 4 4 8 9 .
If the first statement is false, and the second creature says it's true, the second creature must be lying. The probability of that is ( 1 0 5 3 8 ) 2 = 1 1 0 2 5 1 4 4 4 .
So the probability of the first statement is true, given the second creature says it's true is 1 1 0 2 5 4 4 8 9 + 1 1 0 2 5 1 4 4 4 1 1 0 2 5 4 4 8 9 = 5 9 3 3 4 4 8 9 .
5 9 3 3 − 4 4 8 9 = 1 4 4 4
probability of 1st creature saying truth is (2/3)(6/7)+(1/3)(1/5), you can use this and its counterpart directly and reach last step of calculation.
This problem can't be solved with the information given. After you pick the first person, the population diminishes by one, changing the probabilities for the second pick. You need to know the populations of both types to solve the problem as stated.
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This is a conditional probability problem. Let A be the event that the first creature's statement was the truth and B be the event that the second creature says that the first creature's statement was true. We know that
P ( A ∣ B ) = P ( B ) P ( A ∩ B ) .
We will find P ( B ) and P ( A ∩ B ) . In order to do that, we must split into four cases, based on the type of creature the two are. Then, we split each case into two sub-cases based on whether the first creature was telling the truth or not. (If the first creature told the truth, the second creature also told the truth. If the first creature lied, the second also lied.) For brevity, I will condense all these cases into a single table.
Type of first Math Math Non-math Non-math Math Math Non-math Non-math Type of second Math Non-math Math Non-math Math Non-math Math Non-math First’s statement True True True True False False False False Probability 3 2 ⋅ 7 6 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ 7 6 3 2 ⋅ 7 6 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ 7 6 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 3 2 ⋅ 7 1 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ 7 1 3 2 ⋅ 7 1 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ 5 1 3 1 ⋅ 5 4 ⋅ 3 2 ⋅ 7 1 3 1 ⋅ 5 4 ⋅ 3 1 ⋅ 5 4
The probability P ( B ) represents the sum of all the probabilities in the rightmost column, while the probability P ( A ∩ B ) represents the sum of all the "true" probabilities i.e. the first four. The sum of the first four probabilities equals ( 1 0 5 6 7 ) 2 , and the sum of all the probabilities equals ( 1 0 5 6 7 ) 2 + ( 1 0 5 3 8 ) 2 . Thus,
P ( A ∣ B ) = P ( B ) P ( A ∩ B ) = ( 1 0 5 6 7 ) 2 + ( 1 0 5 3 8 ) 2 ( 1 0 5 6 7 ) 2 = 6 7 2 + 3 8 2 6 7 2 ,
and b − a = ( 6 7 2 + 3 8 2 ) − 6 7 2 = 3 8 2 = 1 4 4 4 .