Point P in a Square

Geometry Level 5

A B C D ABCD is a square. P P is a point within A B C D ABCD such that P A = 1 , P B = 29 PA=1, PB= 29 and P C = 41 PC = 41 . What is [ A B C D ] [ABCD] ?

Details and assumptions

[ P Q R S ] [PQRS] refers to the area of figure P Q R S PQRS .


The answer is 882.

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10 solutions

Joshua Xiong
May 20, 2014

Draw E G EG and F H FH through P P such that E G B C EG\parallel BC and F H A B FH\parallel AB , with E, F, G, H on AB, BC, CD, AD, respectively. Then A E 2 + A H 2 = 1 ( 1 ) AE^2+AH^2=1 \, (1) , E B 2 + A H 2 = 2 9 2 ( 2 ) EB^2+AH^2=29^2 \, (2) , and E B 2 + H D 2 = 4 1 2 ( 3 ) EB^2+HD^2=41^2 \, (3) . Using this system of equations, we can find that A E 2 + H D 2 = 2 9 2 AE^2+HD^2=29^2 by adding (1) and (3) and subtracting (2). Noting that this is a square, we see that it has to be symmetrical about the diagonal A C AC . Thus, the main diagonal has a length of 1 + 41 = 42 1+41=42 , so the area is 4 2 2 2 = 882 \dfrac{42^2}{2}=\boxed{882} .

The British Flag Theorem states that P A 2 + P C 2 = P B 2 + P D 2 PA^2 + PC^2 = PB^2 + PD^2 . This provides a very quick proof that P , A , C P, A, C form a straight line, which allows us to calculate the area.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Kevin Li
May 20, 2014

Let the rotation centered at B B that carries A A to C C also carry P P to P P' (Alternatively, Let P P' be a point outside the square such that C B P = A B P , B C P = B A P \angle CBP'=\angle ABP, \angle BCP'=\angle BAP ).

Then Δ A B P Δ C B P \Delta ABP \cong \Delta CBP' , thus B P = B P = 29 , C P = C P = 1 , P B P = A B C = 9 0 BP'=BP=29, CP'=CP=1, \angle PBP'=\angle ABC=90^\circ .

So P P 2 = B P 2 + B P 2 = 1682 PP'^2=BP^2+BP'^2=1682 . Also since C P 2 + C P 2 = 1682 CP^2+CP'^2=1682 , we know that P C P = 9 0 \angle PCP'=90^\circ .

So B , P , C , P B, P, C, P' are concyclic. By Ptolemy's Theorem C B = B P C P + B P C P P P = 29 + 29 41 1682 CB=\frac{BP\cdot CP' + BP' \cdot CP }{PP'}=\frac{29+29\cdot 41}{\sqrt{1682}} , so [ A B C D ] = C B 2 = ( 29 42 ) 2 1682 = 882 [ABCD]=CB^2=\frac{(29\cdot 42)^2}{1682}=882 .

I used the same method .....amazing way how rotation solves a problem that provides seemingly useless information

Vivek Parimi - 6 years, 6 months ago
Zi Song Yeoh
May 20, 2014

Construct P P' such that B C P B P A \triangle BCP' \cong  \triangle BPA

So, since P B P = 9 0 \angle PBP' = 90^{\circ} because B C P B P A \triangle BCP' \cong \triangle BPA

Thus, B P P \triangle BPP' is a right isosceles triangle since B P = B P = 29 BP = BP' = 29

So, P P = 29 2 PP' = 29\sqrt{2}

Looking in P P C \triangle PP'C , by the converse of Pythagoras Theorem, P P C \triangle PP'C is a right triangle, since 4 1 2 + 1 2 = ( 29 2 ) 2 41^{2} + 1^{2} = (29\sqrt{2})^{2}

Thus, quadrilateral BPCP' is cyclic(due to opposite right angles.) and by Brahmagupta's Formula we get

P B P C = ( 50 41 ) ( 50 29 ) ( 50 29 ) ( 50 1 ) = ( 3 ) ( 7 ) ( 21 ) |PBP'C| = \sqrt{(50 - 41)(50 - 29)(50 - 29)(50 - 1)} = (3)(7)(21)

= 2 1 2 = 441 = 21^{2} = 441

On the other hand,by Heron's Formula applied to P B C \triangle PBC and B C P \triangle BCP' and equating this to 441, we get C D 2 = 882 CD^2 = 882

A B C D = C D 2 = 882 |ABCD| = CD^{2} = 882 .             Q.E.D

Nicky Sun
May 20, 2014

Using the British Flag Theorem, we have that P A 2 + P C 2 = P B 2 + P D 2 PA^2+PC^2=PB^2+PD^2 . This gives us that PD=29. Thus, PDB is an isosceles triangle, so P is on the diagonal AC. Since P is on AC, we have AC=PA+PC=42. Thus, the area is 42 42 / 2 = 21 42 = 882 42\cdot42/2=21\cdot42=882 .

Kevin Sun
May 20, 2014

By the British Flag theorem, PD = 29. So because PB = PD, P, A, and C are collinear, so the diagonal has length 1+41 = 42, so the area of the square is 882.

I used what my friends and I call gorilla math. I'm sure there is an easier way to solve this but here is what I did: After drawing the problem, I drew lines from point P that were perpendicular to AB (intersection at point D) and BC (intersection at point E). Then using the given lengths of PA, PB, and PC, I created 3 different equations using the length of our square (I will use AB or X), AD or Y, and BE or Z.

(X - Y)^2 + Z^2 = 29^2

(X - Y)^2 + (X - Z)^2 = 41^2

Y^2 + Z^2 = 1

After expanding getting rid of our exponents we get:

(Equation 1) X^2 - 2XY + Y^2 + Z^2 = 841

(Equation 2) X^2 - 2XY + Y^2 + X^2 - 2XZ + Z^2 = 1681

(Equation 3) Y^2 + Z^2 = 1

We can see Equation 1 is in Equation 2 so we can substitute to obtain:

X^2 - 2XZ = 840

and substituting Equation 3 into Equation 1 we obtain:

X^2 - 2XY = 840

From this, we see Y must equal Z. so from Equation 3 we can obtain

Y = Z = sqrt(1/2)

Now substituting back in and solving for X, we obtain sqrt(882) so therefore the area is 882

(i tried formatting it but when i previewed it didn't look right so i undid it and left it like this, sorry)

Clarence Chew
May 20, 2014

Let Q be the point so that A P B B Q B \triangle APB \equiv \triangle BQB Note P B Q = P B C + C B Q = P B C + A B P = A B C = 9 0 / c i r c \angle PBQ = \angle PBC + \angle CBQ = \angle PBC + \angle ABP = \angle ABC = 90^/circ . By Pythagorean theorem, we note that P Q = 2 9 2 + 2 9 2 = 1682 = 4 1 2 + 1 2 PQ = \sqrt{29^2+29^2} = \sqrt{1682} = \sqrt{41^2+1^2}

By the Pythagorean theorem, we see that P Q C \triangle PQC is a right triangle, with a right angle at C.

By cosine rule, we get:

B C 2 = B Q 2 + Q C 2 2 × B Q × Q C × cos ( B Q C ) BC^2=BQ^2+QC^2-2 \times BQ \times QC \times \cos(\angle BQC)

= 2 9 2 + 1 2 2 × 29 × 1 × cos ( C Q P + 4 5 ) =29^2+1^2-2 \times 29 \times 1 \times \cos(\angle CQP + 45^\circ)

= 842 58 × cos ( arccos ( 1 1682 ) + 4 5 ) =842-58 \times \cos(\arccos(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1682}}) + 45^\circ)

= 842 58 × ( cos ( arccos ( 1 1682 ) × cos ( 4 5 ) =842-58 \times (\cos(\arccos(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1682}}) \times \cos(45^\circ) sin ( arccos ( 1 1682 ) × sin ( 4 5 ) ) -\sin(\arccos(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1682}}) \times \sin(45^\circ))

= 842 58 × ( 1 1682 × 1 2 41 1682 × 1 2 =842-58 \times (\frac{1}{\sqrt{1682}} \times \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} - \frac{41}{\sqrt{1682}} \times \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

= 842 58 × ( 1 3364 41 3364 =842-58 \times (\frac{1}{\sqrt{3364}} - \frac{41}{\sqrt{3364}}

= 842 58 × ( 1 58 41 58 ) =842-58 \times (\frac{1}{58} - \frac{41}{58})

= 842 + 40 =842+40

= 882 =882

Ariel Lanza
May 20, 2014

We call l l the side of the square. On the Cartesian plane we place B B in the origin. A A will be ( l , 0 ) (l, 0) and C C will be ( 0 , l ) (0, l) . We draw a circle of radius 1 1 and centre A A , one of radius 29 29 and centre B B and one of radius 41 41 and centre C C . Therefore intersecting the three circles we get: { ( x l ) 2 + y 2 = 1 2 x 2 + y 2 = 2 9 2 x 2 + ( y l ) 2 = 4 1 2 \begin{cases} (x-l)^2+y^2=1^2 \\ x^2+y^2=29^2\\ x^2+(y-l)^2=41^2 \end{cases} The only solution to this system where x x , y y and l l are positive is: ( 41 2 , 1 2 , 21 2 ) (\frac{41}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, 21\sqrt{2}) . We notice that in this situation the point is actually within the square, therefore the area of the square will be: ( 21 2 ) 2 = 882 (21\sqrt{2})^2=\fbox{882}

Jp Delavin
May 20, 2014

Let A A , B B , C C , D D , and P P be located at ( 0 , s ) (0,s) , ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) , ( s , 0 ) (s,0) , ( s , s ) (s,s) , and ( x , y ) (x,y) respectively. Since P P is inside A B C D ABCD , 0 x , y s 0\leq x,y\leq s .

From the given conditions, we know that x 2 + ( y s ) 2 = 1 2 x^2+(y-s)^2=1^2 , x 2 + y 2 = 2 9 2 x^2+y^2=29^2 , and ( x s ) 2 + y 2 = 4 1 2 (x-s)^2+y^2=41^2 . Solving this system of equations and considering the constraints on x x and y y , the area of the square, or s 2 s^2 , is 882.

A Joshi
May 20, 2014

Side AB will always be less than 30 , because P is within the square and therefore A - P - B is not possible .

Therefore , area of the square is always less than 30^2 ie 900 and also diagonal will always be less than 30*sqrt2 ie approx 42.42

Further , assume that the perpendicular from P on side BC divides the side BC into the lengths b and c , so that b + c = the side of the square ,

then by Pythagoras theorom , 29^2-b^2=41^2-c^2 therefore : c^2-b^2=41^2-29^2=840 ie ( b + c ) ( b - c ) = 840

Since b + c = side of square , say s

s ( b - c ) = 840

Similarly , for the side AB , if perpendicular from P divides AB into 2 lengths e and f , then

we get s ( f - e ) = 840

Since e cannot be greater than or equal to 1 and f will be only marginally less than 29 , ( f - e ) will be a little less than 29 .

Therefore , s should be little more than 29
Now , we get limits for the side to be little more than 29 and therefore the area to be little more than 841 .

Summarising , we have 29 < s < 30 and 841 < area < 900 and 41 < diagonal < 42.42 Assume that P , A and C all lie on straight line . Then , since A - P - C , AC = AP + PC = 1 + 41 = 42 .

If diagonal of a square is 42 , then its area can be easily calculated to be 882 and side approx. = 29.694 , which satisfy the limits shown above

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