Polynomial Vieta

Algebra Level 2

The roots of the polynomial equation x 3 + 2 x 2 + 3 x + 4 = 0 x^3 + 2 x^2 + 3 x + 4 = 0 are α , β , \alpha, \beta, and γ \gamma . What is the value of

α + β γ + β + γ α + γ + α β ? \frac{ \alpha + \beta} { \gamma} + \frac{ \beta + \gamma} { \alpha } + \frac{ \gamma + \alpha } { \beta } ?

1 5 \frac{ 1}{5} 5 2 - \frac { 5 } { 2} 4 3 \frac{ 4 } {3} 3 2 - \frac{3}{2}

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9 solutions

Victor Loh
Jun 25, 2014

By Vieta's Formula ,

α + β + γ = 2 1 = 2 \alpha+\beta+\gamma=-\frac{2}{1}=-2

α β + α γ + β γ = 3 1 = 3 \alpha\beta+\alpha\gamma+\beta\gamma=\frac{3}{1}=3

α β γ = 4 1 = 4 \alpha\beta\gamma=-\frac{4}{1}=-4

Hence,

α + β γ + β + γ α + γ + α β \frac{\alpha+\beta}{\gamma}+\frac{\beta+\gamma}{\alpha}+\frac{\gamma+\alpha}{\beta}

= 2 γ γ + 2 α α + 2 β β =\frac{-2-\gamma}{\gamma}+\frac{-2-\alpha}{\alpha}+\frac{-2-\beta}{\beta}

= 2 γ 1 2 α 1 2 β 1 =-\frac{2}{\gamma}-1-\frac{2}{\alpha}-1-\frac{2}{\beta}-1

= ( 2 α + 2 β + 2 γ ) 3 =-(\frac{2}{\alpha}+\frac{2}{\beta}+\frac{2}{\gamma})-3

= ( 2 β γ + 2 α γ + 2 α β α β γ ) 3 =-(\frac{2\beta\gamma+2\alpha\gamma+2\alpha\beta}{\alpha\beta\gamma})-3

= ( 2 ( α β + α γ + β γ ) 4 ) 3 =-(\frac{2(\alpha\beta+\alpha\gamma+\beta\gamma)}{-4})-3

= 2 ( 3 ) 4 3 = 3 2 =\frac{2(3)}{4}-3=\boxed{-\frac{3}{2}}

Sum of reciprocals of roots = - 3/4 directly from Vieta's Theorem !!

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 11 months ago

This solution is so clear that without having known Vieta's Theorem before, I now seem to understand it, including the sum of reciprocal of roots. Great solution!

Ralph Schraven - 6 years, 11 months ago

Hmm. I did it a slightly different way, also with Vieta's:

We have {█(α+β+γ=-2, αβ+βγ+γα=3, αβγ=-4)┤ so then -6=(-2)(3)=(α+β+γ)(αβ+βγ+γα)=α^2 β+αβ^2+β^2 γ+βγ^2+γ^2 α+γα^2+3αβγ and so α^2 β+αβ^2+β^2 γ+βγ^2+γ^2 α+γα^2=-6-3αβγ=6 and so (α+β)/γ+(β+γ)/α+(γ+α)/β=(α^2 β+αβ^2+β^2 γ+βγ^2+γ^2 α+γα^2)/αβγ=6/(-4)=-3/2.

Colin Tang - 6 years, 11 months ago

Nice solution; I had to newton sum bash it.

Eric Zhang - 6 years, 11 months ago

Easy solution....but i couldnt :(

Sudipto Chowdhury - 6 years, 11 months ago

I'm new to this but isn't it possible to reduce the polynomials and particles equation then simplifying it to find the unknown variables tried and it works but maybe I just got lucky

Tristian Kitt - 6 years, 10 months ago

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3 equations 3 unknowns it's possible to find the roots and plug them into the equation. Given the symmetrical statement, we usually can find a more elegant solution.

Jerry McKenzie - 4 years ago

i forgot how to figure out the solution of polynomial equations also this theorem is new to me .. but it worked .. thanks :)

Ali Zargham Butt - 6 years, 8 months ago

I think something same to u but couldn't done,but impressed about u

Mahmud Hamim - 6 years, 6 months ago

good solving

Sazzad Shikder - 6 years, 11 months ago
Ananay Agarwal
Jun 26, 2014

Subtracting and adding 3 3 to both sides of the given expression yields:

α + β + γ γ + α + β + γ α + α + β + γ β 3 \frac{\alpha + \beta + \gamma}{\gamma} + \frac{\alpha + \beta + \gamma}{\alpha} + \frac{\alpha + \beta + \gamma}{\beta} - 3

= ( α + β + γ ) ( 1 γ + 1 α + 1 β ) 3 =(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)\left(\frac{1}{\gamma} + \frac{1}{\alpha} + \frac{1}{\beta}\right)-3

= ( α + β + γ ) ( α β + β γ + γ α β γ α ) 3 = (\alpha + \beta+\gamma)\left(\frac{\alpha\beta +\beta\gamma+\gamma\alpha }{\beta\gamma\alpha} \right)-3

We can easily calculate the values of these cyclic sums using Vieta's formula from the given polynomials, substitute the values, and get the desired answer.

@Krishna Ar : Sorry, I meant symmetric sums of roots.

Ananay Agarwal - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Ananay Agarwal :)

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 11 months ago

A small note- Vieta's formulae do not calculate cyclic sums.

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 11 months ago

Good question....and solution.

Mitul Goswami - 6 years, 11 months ago
Naveen Jalwadi
Jul 10, 2015

Daniel Lim
Jun 26, 2014

Prepare the equations we need first so that it will be easier later when we try to solve it.

By Vieta's Formula,

α + β + γ = 2 \alpha+\beta+\gamma=-2

α β + β γ + γ α = 3 \alpha\beta+\beta\gamma+\gamma\alpha=3

( α β γ ) = 4 (\alpha\beta\gamma)=-4

Now that we've prepared everything necessary, we start by turning the problem given into a single fraction and see what we can do next

α + β γ + β + γ α + γ + α β \frac{\alpha+\beta}{\gamma}+\frac{\beta+\gamma}{\alpha}+\frac{\gamma+\alpha}{\beta}

= α β ( α + β ) + β γ ( β + γ ) + γ α ( α + γ ) α β γ =\frac{\alpha\beta(\alpha+\beta)+\beta\gamma(\beta+\gamma)+\gamma\alpha(\alpha+\gamma)}{\alpha\beta\gamma}

We still can't do anything with this, we need to turn this fraction into something we can solve with the equations prepared earlier.

So, we can let α + β \alpha+\beta become α + β + γ γ \alpha+\beta+\gamma-\gamma and the same thing with the other ones.

α β ( α + β + γ γ ) + β γ ( α + β + γ α ) + γ α ( α + β + γ β ) α β γ \frac{\alpha\beta(\alpha+\beta+\gamma-\gamma)+\beta\gamma(\alpha+\beta+\gamma-\alpha)+\gamma\alpha(\alpha+\beta+\gamma-\beta)}{\alpha\beta\gamma}

Now we can almost solve it by replacing α + β + γ \alpha+\beta+\gamma with 2 -2 , but there are still some that we can't substitute a value into it.

We can multiply out the extra negative value from the bracket.

α β ( α + β + γ ) + β γ ( α + β + γ ) + γ α ( α + β + γ ) 3 ( α β γ ) α β γ \frac{\alpha\beta(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)+\beta\gamma(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)+\gamma\alpha(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)-3(\alpha\beta\gamma)}{\alpha\beta\gamma}

Then,

( α β + β γ + γ α ) ( α + β + γ ) + ( α + β + γ ) + ( α + β + γ ) 3 ( α β γ ) α β γ \frac{(\alpha\beta+\beta\gamma+\gamma\alpha)(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)+(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)+(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)-3(\alpha\beta\gamma)}{\alpha\beta\gamma}

Finally, substitute in the values we'd precomputed

3 ( 2 ) 3 ( 4 ) 4 \frac{3(-2)-3(-4)}{-4}

= 6 4 =\frac{6}{-4}

= 3 2 =\boxed{-\frac{3}{2}}

nice.........

deleena thomas - 6 years, 11 months ago
Shashank Ojha
Jul 22, 2015

Jaybee Penaflor
Jun 27, 2014

Sum of all roots = -2; sum of two roots at a time = 3; product of roots = -4

Combining the expression, you get ((a + b + c)(ab + bc + ac) - 3abc)/abc = -3/2

Sunay Joshi
Jun 26, 2014

We see that ( a + b + c ) ( a b + b c + c a ) = 3 a b c + a 2 b (a+b+c)(ab+bc+ca)=3abc+\sum a^2 b and the fraction we want is a 2 b a b c \frac{\sum a^2 b}{abc} . Hence, we plug in and finish with Vieta.

Pankaj Roy
Jun 26, 2014

from given polynomial equation........ α+β+ϒ=-2 αβ + βϒ+ βϒ=3 αβϒ=-4 now, (α+β)/ϒ+(β+ϒ)/α+(ϒ+α)/β

=> (-2-ϒ)/ϒ + (-2-α)/α + (-2-β)/β

=> ((-2)/ϒ + (-2)/α + (-2)/β) - 3

=> ((-2(αβ + βϒ+ βϒ))/αβϒ) - 3 => ((-2×3)/(-4))-3= - 3/2

a + b + c = -2.....(a + b)/c = ( -2 - c )/c = -2/c - 1...(b+c)/a = - 2/a -1...(c+a)/b = -2/b - 1

Exp. = -2/c -1 - 2/b - 1 - 2/a -1 = -2{ 1/c +1/b + 1/a} - 3
Sum of reciprocals = - 3/4...
Exp. - 2 * (- 3/4 ) -3 = - 3/2

Didn't anybody just solve for alpha, beta, and gamma?

Clay Young - 6 years, 11 months ago

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The only way to solve it would be using the cubic formula, because there are no rational roots. For that matter, there are only one real and two complex roots.

Joshua Solomon - 5 years, 7 months ago

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