Possible?

Geometry Level 3

Is there a value of θ \theta satisfying

sin θ = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b + b c + c a \sin\theta = \dfrac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{ab+bc+ca}

for positive integers a , b a,b and c c ?

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Viki Zeta
Sep 19, 2016

Take for example, sin ( 30 ) = sin ( 30 ) = 1 2 Since, sin θ = a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b + b c + c a , ( a , b , c ) N There is no possibility that sum of natural numbers is a negative number.Take another for example sin ( 60 ) = 3 2 a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b + b c + c a = 3 2 LHS is rational where as RHS is irrational which can never happen Even for sin ( 30 ) = 1 2 , there will be no natural solutions for a, b, c satisfying the condition. \text{Take for example, } \\ \sin(-30) = -\sin(30) = -\dfrac{1}{2} \\ \text{Since, }\sin\theta = \dfrac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{ab+bc+ca}, (a, b, c) \in N \\ \text{There is no possibility that sum of natural numbers is a negative number.} \text{Take another for example} \\ \sin(60) = \dfrac{\sqrt[]{3}}{2} \\ \implies \dfrac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{ab+bc+ca} = \dfrac{\sqrt[]{3}}{2} \\ \text{LHS is rational where as RHS is irrational which can never happen} \\ \text{Even for } \sin(30) = \dfrac{1}{2} \text{, there will be no natural solutions for a, b, c satisfying the condition.}

I don't think the answer is completely correct. Because if you let a = 1 , b = 1 , c = 1, then there is a θ \theta such that s i n θ = 3 / 3 = 1 sin \theta = 3 / 3 = 1 , and that θ \theta is π 2 \dfrac{ \pi}{2} . To discuss the general case, if we define u = ( a , b , c ) u = (a, b, c) , and w = ( b , c , a w = (b, c, a ) then from Schwarz Inequality, u w u w u \cdot w \le | u | | w | , with equality only if u u is a positive multiple of w w .

This means that a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b + b c + c a 1 \dfrac{ a^2 + b^2 + c^2}{ab+bc+ca} \ge 1 . Equality will occur if b a = c b = a c \dfrac{b}{a} = \dfrac{c}{b} = \dfrac{a}{c} . If we call this ratio x x , then b a c b = x 2 = c a = 1 x \dfrac{b}{a} \cdot \dfrac{c}{b} = x^2 = \dfrac{c}{a} = \dfrac{1}{x} . Thus x x must be 1. And this means, the only way that the given expression is a sine of an angle is if and only if a = b = c a = b = c . And this case that angle is π 2 \dfrac{ \pi}{2} .

Hosam Hajjir - 4 years, 8 months ago

Sin(90)=1......

Adrian Pen - 4 years, 9 months ago

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There would be no natural solution even for sin 90 = 1 \sin90 = 1

Take for example, a = b = 0 , c = 1 a=b=0, c=1 \

a 2 + b 2 + c 2 a b + b c + c a = 1 0 = \dfrac{a^2+b^2+c^2}{ab+bc+ca} = \dfrac{1}{0} = undefined.

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 9 months ago

Because as nobody ever said: The most valid proof for something is to show it won't work with 2 random numbers.

Adrian Pen - 4 years, 9 months ago

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The thing is there would be no natural solution. Look at the condition in the problem.

Viki Zeta - 4 years, 9 months ago
Marta Reece
May 30, 2018

For example a = b = c = 1 s i n θ = 3 3 = 1 a=b=c=1\implies sin\theta=\frac33=1 , which is true for θ = π 2 \theta=\frac{\pi}2 .

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