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Sanjeet Raria
Nov 2, 2014

We've x + y + z = 5 ( 1 ) x+y+z=5…(1) x y + y z + z x = 3 xy+yz+zx=3 x 2 + y 2 + z 2 = 19 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+z^2=19 x 2 + y 2 + ( 5 x y ) 2 = 19 \Rightarrow x^2+y^2+(5-x-y)^2=19 Solving further we get, 2 y 2 + y ( 2 x 10 ) + ( 2 x 2 10 x + 6 ) = 10 \Rightarrow 2y^2+y(2x-10)+(2x^2-10x+6)=10 Since y y is real, determinant of this quadratic equation should be non-negative. 4 x 2 + 100 40 x 8 ( 2 x 2 10 x + 6 ) 0 \Rightarrow 4x^2+100-40x-8(2x^2-10x+6) \geq 0 3 x 2 10 x 13 0 \Rightarrow 3x^2-10x-13 \leq 0 ( x + 1 ) ( x 13 3 ) 0 \Rightarrow (x+1)(x-\frac{13}{3}) \leq 0 1 x 13 3 \Rightarrow -1 \leq x \leq \frac{13}{3} Sum is 1 + 13 3 = 10 3 -1+\frac{13}{3}=\frac{10}{3} Hence answer is 10 + 3 = 13 \large 10+3=\boxed{13}

awesome solution

Karan Siwach - 6 years, 7 months ago

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One could also use Tchebychev inequality that'd be easiest.

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 7 months ago

Par Cauchy-Shwarz C'est tellement facile.

Omar El Mokhtar - 6 years, 7 months ago

Typo, x y + y z + z x = 3 xy+yz+zx=3

Vishnu Bhagyanath - 5 years, 11 months ago
Aritra Jana
Nov 1, 2014

NOTE: \textbf{NOTE:} You may have a shorter process. This is an unconventional way of solving problems, but, i like it. So, here goes:


From the given relations, and by using Vieta's we construct a polynomial whose roots are x , y , z x,y,z

P ( x ) = t 3 5 t 2 + 3 t + p P(x)=t^{3}-5t^{2}+3t+p and p p is a constant.

Now we analyse it's derivative to find out the nature of the curve at different intervals. This is very important.

P ( x ) = 3 x 2 10 x + p P'(x)=3x^{2}-10x+p

now, observing it's roots, P ( x ) 0 P'(x)≥0 iff x ( , 1 3 ) ( 3 , + ) \text{iff }x\in (-\infty,\frac{1}{3})\cup (3,+\infty) and is negative elsewhere.

Now \textbf{Now} the positive derivative of P ( x ) P(x) signifies the increasing nature of the curve of P ( x ) P(x) .

So, P ( x ) P(x) increases on the interval ( , 1 3 ) (-\infty,\frac{1}{3}) from -\infty to P ( 1 3 ) = p + 13 27 P(\frac{1}{3})=p+\frac{13}{27}

and P ( x ) P(x) decreases on the interval ( 1 3 , 3 ) (\frac{1}{3},3) from P ( 1 3 ) P(\frac{1}{3}) to P ( 3 ) = p 9 P(3)=p-9

So, p + 13 27 p+\frac{13}{27} and p 9 p-9 signifies the local maximum and minimum \textbf{local maximum and minimum} respectively.

For the roots to be real, (although it isn't said, but i assumed) ,

p + 13 27 0 p+\frac{13}{27}≥0 and p 9 0 p-9≤0

P ( 1 3 ) 0 \implies\large{P(\frac{1}{3})≥0} and P ( 3 ) 0 P(3)≤0

Now, an observation that solves the problem:

NOTE THAT: \text{NOTE THAT:}

P ( 1 ) = p 9 0 and P ( 13 3 ) = p + 13 27 0 \large{P(-1)=p-9≤0} \text{ and } \large{P(\frac{13}{3})=p+\frac{13}{27}≥0}

So, the polynomial P ( x ) changes it’s signs in the intervals: \textbf{So, the polynomial} P(x) \textbf{changes it's signs in the intervals:}

( 1 , 1 3 ) ; ( 1 3 , 3 ) ; ( 3 , 13 3 ) \large{(-1,\frac{1}{3});(\frac{1}{3},3);(3,\frac{13}{3})}

So, it is obvious that the roots must lie in the above intervals..

So, we have, for any root:

least possible value = 1 \text{least possible value}=\large{-1}

greatest possible value = 13 3 \text{greatest possible value}=\large{\frac{13}{3}}

Adding them, we get 10 3 \frac{10}{3}

OUR ANSWER: 13 \LARGE{\boxed{13}}


A bonus of this solution is that, we can determine the intervals of any of the 3 3 roots of the polynomial at once(though it isn't required). they go as follows:

1 x k 1 1 3 x k 2 3 x k 3 13 3 \large{-1≤x_{k_1}≤\frac{1}{3}≤x_{k_2}≤3≤x_{k_3}≤\frac{13}{3}}

where x k i x_{k_i} are the roots


yes, this was lengthy, but you cannot possible deny that this was a good solution. :D

@Parth Lohomi , what do you think?

You are absolutely correct!!

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks :D ..this problem was approachable by many ways...it's a nice problem :D

Aritra Jana - 6 years, 7 months ago
Rajen Kapur
Nov 3, 2014

Put y = z = t and then eliminate t getting 3x^2 - 10x - 13 = 0, which gives 10/3 as the sum of the two extreme real values of x, namely -1 and 13/3. The point to be noted here is that it is a convex function.

Tom Engelsman
Dec 18, 2020

Let z = 5 x y z = 5 - x - y and substitute into the nonlinear equation:

x y + ( 5 x y ) ( x + y ) = 3 x 2 + ( y 5 ) x + ( y 2 5 y + 3 ) = 0 x = ( 5 y ) ± ( y 5 ) 2 4 ( 1 ) ( y 2 5 y + 3 ) 2 = ( 5 y ) ± 3 ( y 5 / 3 ) 2 + 192 / 9 2 xy + (5-x-y)(x+y) = 3 \Rightarrow x^2 + (y-5)x + (y^2 -5y + 3) = 0 \Rightarrow x = \frac{(5-y) \pm \sqrt{(y-5)^2 - 4(1)(y^2-5y+3)}}{2} = \frac{(5-y) \pm \sqrt{-3(y-5/3)^2 + 192/9}}{2} .

The discriminant is a concave-down parabola with vertex ( 5 3 , 192 9 ) (\frac{5}{3},\frac{192}{9}) , which means the largest and smallest values for x x compute to:

x = ( 5 5 / 3 ) ± 192 / 9 2 = 5 3 ± 4 3 3 x = \frac{(5-5/3) \pm \sqrt{192/9}}{2} = \frac{5}{3} \pm \frac{4\sqrt{3}}{3} ,

and whose sum is ( 5 3 + 4 3 3 ) + ( 5 3 4 3 3 ) = 10 3 = m n m + n = 10 + 3 = 13 . (\frac{5}{3} + \frac{4\sqrt{3}}{3}) + (\frac{5}{3} - \frac{4\sqrt{3}}{3}) = \frac{10}{3} = \frac{m}{n} \Rightarrow m+n = 10+3=\boxed{13}.

Dheeraj Agarwal
Dec 16, 2014

APPLY AM>GM for y and z. THEN in the inequality formed place the value of x in place of y and z as per the equations given. so. on L.H.S. it becomes 5-x and on R.H.S. , square root of x^2 - 5x +3 solve and get yur answer upvote the solution if lioke it.

You can't apply A.M. G.M. as here x,y and z are not necessarily positive

Mayank Singh - 6 years, 2 months ago

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