Potential with an edge

A thin disc of radius R = 10 cm \displaystyle R = 10 \text{ cm } made of non-conducting material is charged uniformly so as to acquire a uniform surface charge density σ = 5 nC / m 2 \displaystyle \sigma = 5 \text{ nC}/\text{m}^2 .

Find the potential at the edge of the disc in Volts .

Details and Assumptions

  • 1 4 π ϵ 0 = 9 × 1 0 9 N m 2 / C 2 \displaystyle \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon _{0} } = 9 \times 10^{9} \text{ N}\cdot \text{m}^2 / \text{C}^2


The answer is 18.

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2 solutions

Jatin Yadav
Jun 18, 2014

Consider a small circular arc of radius x x and thickness d x dx centered at point P P on the edge as shown:

Clearly, applying cosine rule in O P Q \triangle OPQ ,

cos θ = x 2 + R 2 R 2 2 R X = x 2 R \cos \theta = \dfrac{x^2+R^2-R^2}{2RX} = \dfrac{x}{2R}

Charge on the arc = σ × 2 θ x d x \sigma \times 2 \theta x dx

Hence, the potential on the point P P due to this element = d V = 2 σ θ x d x 4 π ϵ 0 x dV = \dfrac{2 \sigma \theta x dx}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0} x}

= σ 2 π ϵ 0 θ d x \dfrac{\sigma}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \theta dx

Hence, V P = σ 2 π ϵ 0 0 2 R θ d x V_{P} = \dfrac{\sigma}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2R} \theta dx

V P = σ 2 π ϵ 0 0 2 R cos 1 ( x 2 R ) d x \Rightarrow V_{P} = \dfrac{\sigma}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2R} \cos^{-1} \bigg(\dfrac{x}{2R}\bigg) dx

Putting x 2 R = t \frac{x}{2R}=t ,

V P = R σ π ϵ 0 0 1 cos 1 t d t = R σ π ϵ 0 V_{P} = \dfrac{R \sigma}{\pi \epsilon_{0}} \displaystyle \int_{0}^{1} \cos^{-1} t dt = \boxed{\dfrac{R \sigma}{\pi \epsilon_{0}} }

Put values to get answer as 18 18

@Sudeep, What was your method? Why did you tag it with double integrals.

jatin yadav - 6 years, 12 months ago

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I did it with double integrals. I obtained the answer as

σ 4 π ϵ 0 0 2 π 0 R r ( r R cos θ ) 2 + ( R sin θ ) 2 d r d θ \displaystyle\frac{\sigma}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\displaystyle\int_{0}^{2\pi}\!\!\!\!\!\displaystyle\int_{0}^{R}\frac{r}{\sqrt{\left( r-R\cos \theta\right)^{2}+\left( R\sin \theta\right)^{2}}}dr d\theta

However I learnt from your solutions and did the remaining questions you posted. :D

Karthik Kannan - 6 years, 11 months ago

Yeah I did the same way as Karthik did. I did tried by a similar method as yours but probably messed up somewhere. Then I got it by this method, hence the tag.

Sudeep Salgia - 6 years, 11 months ago
Milly Choochoo
Jun 19, 2014

This problem is quite counter-intuitive, and although I still feel a bit skeptic about this one, the math just works out.

So here's an illustration of the problem. We want to find the potential at an arbitrary edge of the disc.

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The goal is clearly to use calculus - integrate all of the differential potentials caused by the differential charges, but what function can model such a thing? y = 2 R s i n ( x ) y = 2Rsin(x) can.

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Now we have set up everything necessary.

V = 1 4 π ϵ o d Q r d A V = \iint \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_o}\frac{dQ}{r} dA

= 1 4 π ϵ o 0 π 0 2 R s i n ( θ ) σ r r d r d θ = 1 4 π ϵ o 0 π 0 2 R s i n ( θ ) σ d r d θ = \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_o} \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^{2Rsin(\theta)} \frac{\sigma r}{r} dr d\theta = \large \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_o} \int\limits_0^\pi \int\limits_0^{2Rsin(\theta)} \sigma dr d\theta

= 4 R σ 4 π ϵ o = 18 = 4R\frac{\sigma}{4\pi \epsilon_o} = \boxed{18 } (volts)

I think this is much simpler than the other solutions here.

Milly Choochoo - 6 years, 11 months ago

Yeah,this is simpler , thanks~

Kelvin Hong - 4 years, 4 months ago

This is nice.

Ptashant Kadam - 3 years, 3 months ago

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