Solve The Equation With Square Roots

Algebra Level 5

How many integer values of N N satisfy the following equation:

N + 20 10 N 5 + N + 44 + 14 N 5 = 12 \sqrt{ N+20 - 10\sqrt{N-5} } + \sqrt{ N + 44 + 14 \sqrt{N-5} } = 12

Details and assumptions

The domain of the square root function is non-negative reals.


The answer is 26.

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5 solutions

Let x = N 5 , \displaystyle x = \sqrt{N-5}, then we can rewrite the equation as:

x 2 10 x + 25 + x 2 + 14 x + 49 = 12 \displaystyle \sqrt{x^2 - 10x + 25} + \sqrt{x^2 + 14x + 49} = 12

( x 5 ) 2 + ( x + 7 ) 2 = 12 \displaystyle \sqrt{(x-5)^2} + \sqrt{(x+7)^2} = 12

x 5 + x + 7 = 12 \displaystyle |x-5| + |x+7| = 12

Case 1: \text{Case 1:}

For 0 x 5 , \displaystyle 0 \leq x \leq 5, imply 5 N 30. \displaystyle 5 \leq N \leq 30. We have the equation become 5 x + x + 7 = 12. \displaystyle 5 - x + x + 7 =12. Hence we have 30 5 + 1 = 26 \displaystyle 30-5+1 = 26 integer solutions.

Case 2: \text{Case 2:}

For x > 5 , \displaystyle x > 5, we have the equation become 2 x + 2 = 12 \displaystyle 2x + 2 = 12 imply x = 5. \displaystyle x = 5. Hence no solution.

Therefore from both cases, we have the answer is 26 . \displaystyle \boxed{26}.

This is bogus. For example, n = - 95 is an integer, for which we end up with: √(-75 - 100 i) + √(-51 - 140 i) = 5 - 10 i + 7 + 10 i = 12 There are infinitely many such integers for which this is true, not just 26. While always taking the positive root of a square root.

Michael Mendrin - 7 years, 4 months ago

Really well solved. Got stumped by the continuous range of values!!

SAYAN GHOSH - 7 years, 5 months ago

Cool

Natasha Andriani - 7 years, 5 months ago

well solved dude got clean bold

Koushik Mandlem - 7 years, 5 months ago

I am confused a bit regarding the consideration of -ve values while taking square root. eg: if N=54, N-5=49 so x can be +7 or -7 If we go for -7, the eqn mod(x-5)+mod(x+7)=12 is still satisfied. Actually, I didnt understand the factor that restricts the consideration of -ve numbers for x. :( Please help

Rashmi p - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Square roots are always defined to be positive.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 4 months ago

In my first try, I missed at Case 1 for 0 < x < 5, I thought all possible values of x are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

Luckily, in the second try, I could fix it. :)

Wu Krisaravudh - 7 years, 5 months ago

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The same as me but you are much more better when realizing, I didn't recognized that I did a big mistake untill see the solution. :(

Blue Peace - 7 years, 5 months ago

Excellent! I discovered the factorization but didn't realize that by taking the square root of the square you would need absolute value symbols!

Roland Fong - 7 years, 5 months ago

No need absolute value for (x+7), it's already positive

Nguyen Thien Vy - 7 years, 5 months ago

You rock dude, nice one (y)

Muhammad Ridwan Apriansyah B. - 7 years, 5 months ago

Yep, this is what I did! It is kinda interesting that such a range satisfies the equation, but the simplification makes it more clear.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 5 months ago

Hi Fariz, why can't the equation equation be rearranged as Sqrt{(5-x)^2} +Sqrt{(7+x)^2}

Sriram K - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Yes, it can since it will give the same result.

Fariz Azmi Pratama - 7 years, 4 months ago

Thanks. I opened up everything!

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 4 months ago

EXACTLY the same process! But in the 1st try I did not realize that N-5 and the two expressions x-5, x-7 ;need NOT be an integers...so i gave 6 as my first answer. Then, I after thinking for 15-20min i realized that between 5 and 25 any integral value would satisfy the equation.

Rishabh Raj - 7 years, 3 months ago

Ops I got wrong cuz I counted the integer values of x and put the ans 6:(

Mohamed Aly - 7 years, 3 months ago
Jan J.
Jan 6, 2014

Write the equation equivalently as ( N 5 5 ) 2 + ( N 5 + 7 ) 2 = 12 \sqrt{\left(\sqrt{N - 5} - 5\right)^2} + \sqrt{\left(\sqrt{N - 5} + 7\right)^2} = 12 i.e. N 5 5 + N 5 + 7 = 12 \left|\sqrt{N - 5} - 5\right| + \left|\sqrt{N - 5} + 7\right| = 12 Note that N 5 N \geq 5 . Consider three cases:

1) We have N 5 5 N 30 \sqrt{N - 5} \geq 5 \Leftrightarrow N \geq 30 , then N 5 5 + N 5 + 7 = 12 N = 30 \sqrt{N - 5} - 5 + \sqrt{N - 5} + 7 = 12 \Leftrightarrow N = 30 .

2) We have 7 < N 5 < 5 N < 30 -7 < \sqrt{N - 5} < 5 \Leftrightarrow N < 30 , then N 5 + 5 + N 5 + 7 = 12 0 = 0 -\sqrt{N - 5} + 5 + \sqrt{N - 5} + 7 = 12 \Leftrightarrow 0 = 0 , so 5 N < 30 5 \leq N < 30 .

3) We have N 5 7 \sqrt{N - 5} \leq -7 , then clearly N N \in \emptyset .

Taking the union of these three cases we find that 5 N 30 5 \leq N \leq 30 , hence there are 26 \boxed{26} integer values of N N .

Phong Nguyen
Jan 6, 2014

N + 20 10 N 5 + N + 44 + 14 N 5 = 12 N 5 2 5 N 5 + 25 + N 5 + 2 7 N 5 + 49 = 12 ( N 5 5 ) 2 + ( N 5 + 7 ) 2 = 12 N 5 5 + N 5 + 7 = 12 A p p l y t h e i n e q u a l i t y A + B A + B ( e q u a l i t y o c c u r s i f A B 0 ) , w e c a n s e e t h a t : N 5 5 + N 5 + 7 = 5 N 5 + N 5 + 7 5 N 5 + N 5 + 7 = 12. A s i n t h e e q u a t i o n , e q u a l i t y o c c u r s s o ( 5 N 5 ) ( N 5 + 7 ) 0 7 N 5 5 0 N 5 25 ( N 5 i s g r e a t e r t h a n o r e q u a l t o 0 w i t h N b e i n g a n i n t e g e r ) 5 N 30. T h e r e a r e ( 30 5 ) + 1 = 26 i n t e g e r v a l u e s o f N t h a t s a t i s f y t h e e q u a t i o n . \sqrt{N+20-10\sqrt{N-5}}+\sqrt{N+44+14\sqrt{N-5}}=12\\ ⇔ \sqrt{N-5-2*5*\sqrt{N-5}+25}+\sqrt{N-5+2*7*\sqrt{N-5}+49}=12\\ ⇔ \sqrt{(\sqrt{N-5}-5)^2}+\sqrt{(\sqrt{N-5}+7)^2}=12\\ ⇔ |\sqrt{N-5}-5|+|\sqrt{N-5}+7|=12\\ Apply\ the\ inequality\ |A|+|B| \geq |A+B| (equality\ occurs\ if\ AB\geq0),\ we\ can\ see\ that\ :\\ |\sqrt{N-5}-5|+|\sqrt{N-5}+7|=|5-\sqrt{N-5}|+|\sqrt{N-5}+7|\geq|5-\sqrt{N-5}+\sqrt{N-5}+7|=12.\\ As\ in\ the\ equation,\ equality\ occurs\,\ so\ (5-\sqrt{N-5})(\sqrt{N-5}+7)\geq 0 ⇔ -7\leq\sqrt{N-5}\leq5\\ 0\leq N-5\leq25 (\sqrt{N-5} is\ greater\ than\ or\ equal\ to\ 0\ with\ N\ being\ an\ integer)\\ ⇔ 5\leq N\leq30.\ There\ are\ (30-5)+1=26\ integer\ values\ of\ N\ that\ satisfy\ the\ equation. Sorry, I can't write a good solution. I haven't got used to writing it yet.

Fred Shuman
Feb 4, 2014

Part of the trick is that under each "big" radical, is the square of a simpler expression:

(√(N-5) - 5)² = (5 - √(N-5))² = N + 20 - 10√(N-5)

(√(N-5) + 7)² = N + 44 + 14√(N-5)

Another part of the trick is, that first squared expression can take either signed form. So you have two possible simplified forms:

√(N-5) - 5 + √(N-5) + 7 = 2√(N-5) + 2 = 12

√(N-5) = 5, N = 30, . . . or

5 - √(N-5) + √(N-5) + 7 == 12

. . an identity, and it applies as long as 5 - √(N-5) is ≥ 0. And for that, along with the stipulation that N be an integer, we must only have

0 ≤ N - 5 ≤ 25 N = {5, 6, .. , 30}

which are 26 integer values, and include the one we got on the first pass.

Still can't get used to this dratted formatter that removes single-newlines, but preserves doubled ones. Meant, near the end there:

0 ≤ N - 5 ≤ 25

N = {5, 6, .. , 30}

Fred Shuman - 7 years, 4 months ago
Damiann Mangan
Jan 6, 2014

Take a look at the equation. Easily, we could simplified the equation into this state

( N 5 5 ) 2 + ( N 5 + 7 ) 2 \sqrt{(\sqrt{N-5} - 5)^{2}} + \sqrt{(\sqrt{N-5} + 7)^{2}} = 12

x 2 = x \sqrt{x^{2}} = |x| . Therefore, we have N 5 5 + N 5 + 7 |\sqrt{N-5}-5| + |\sqrt{N-5} + 7| . As N 5 > 0 \sqrt{N-5} > 0 , we could simplify the equation until we have

N 5 5 = 5 N 5 |\sqrt{N-5} - 5| = 5 - \sqrt{N-5} which can only means N 5 5 \sqrt{N-5} \leq 5 .

With the last equation, or perhaps inequality, I must say, 5 N 30 5 \leq N \leq 30 is the solution.

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