How many integer values of N satisfy the following equation:
N + 2 0 − 1 0 N − 5 + N + 4 4 + 1 4 N − 5 = 1 2
Details and assumptions
The domain of the square root function is non-negative reals.
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This is bogus. For example, n = - 95 is an integer, for which we end up with: √(-75 - 100 i) + √(-51 - 140 i) = 5 - 10 i + 7 + 10 i = 12 There are infinitely many such integers for which this is true, not just 26. While always taking the positive root of a square root.
Really well solved. Got stumped by the continuous range of values!!
Cool
well solved dude got clean bold
I am confused a bit regarding the consideration of -ve values while taking square root. eg: if N=54, N-5=49 so x can be +7 or -7 If we go for -7, the eqn mod(x-5)+mod(x+7)=12 is still satisfied. Actually, I didnt understand the factor that restricts the consideration of -ve numbers for x. :( Please help
In my first try, I missed at Case 1 for 0 < x < 5, I thought all possible values of x are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Luckily, in the second try, I could fix it. :)
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The same as me but you are much more better when realizing, I didn't recognized that I did a big mistake untill see the solution. :(
Excellent! I discovered the factorization but didn't realize that by taking the square root of the square you would need absolute value symbols!
No need absolute value for (x+7), it's already positive
You rock dude, nice one (y)
Yep, this is what I did! It is kinda interesting that such a range satisfies the equation, but the simplification makes it more clear.
Hi Fariz, why can't the equation equation be rearranged as Sqrt{(5-x)^2} +Sqrt{(7+x)^2}
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Yes, it can since it will give the same result.
Thanks. I opened up everything!
EXACTLY the same process! But in the 1st try I did not realize that N-5 and the two expressions x-5, x-7 ;need NOT be an integers...so i gave 6 as my first answer. Then, I after thinking for 15-20min i realized that between 5 and 25 any integral value would satisfy the equation.
Ops I got wrong cuz I counted the integer values of x and put the ans 6:(
Write the equation equivalently as ( N − 5 − 5 ) 2 + ( N − 5 + 7 ) 2 = 1 2 i.e. ∣ ∣ ∣ N − 5 − 5 ∣ ∣ ∣ + ∣ ∣ ∣ N − 5 + 7 ∣ ∣ ∣ = 1 2 Note that N ≥ 5 . Consider three cases:
1) We have N − 5 ≥ 5 ⇔ N ≥ 3 0 , then N − 5 − 5 + N − 5 + 7 = 1 2 ⇔ N = 3 0 .
2) We have − 7 < N − 5 < 5 ⇔ N < 3 0 , then − N − 5 + 5 + N − 5 + 7 = 1 2 ⇔ 0 = 0 , so 5 ≤ N < 3 0 .
3) We have N − 5 ≤ − 7 , then clearly N ∈ ∅ .
Taking the union of these three cases we find that 5 ≤ N ≤ 3 0 , hence there are 2 6 integer values of N .
N + 2 0 − 1 0 N − 5 + N + 4 4 + 1 4 N − 5 = 1 2 ⇔ N − 5 − 2 ∗ 5 ∗ N − 5 + 2 5 + N − 5 + 2 ∗ 7 ∗ N − 5 + 4 9 = 1 2 ⇔ ( N − 5 − 5 ) 2 + ( N − 5 + 7 ) 2 = 1 2 ⇔ ∣ N − 5 − 5 ∣ + ∣ N − 5 + 7 ∣ = 1 2 A p p l y t h e i n e q u a l i t y ∣ A ∣ + ∣ B ∣ ≥ ∣ A + B ∣ ( e q u a l i t y o c c u r s i f A B ≥ 0 ) , w e c a n s e e t h a t : ∣ N − 5 − 5 ∣ + ∣ N − 5 + 7 ∣ = ∣ 5 − N − 5 ∣ + ∣ N − 5 + 7 ∣ ≥ ∣ 5 − N − 5 + N − 5 + 7 ∣ = 1 2 . A s i n t h e e q u a t i o n , e q u a l i t y o c c u r s s o ( 5 − N − 5 ) ( N − 5 + 7 ) ≥ 0 ⇔ − 7 ≤ N − 5 ≤ 5 0 ≤ N − 5 ≤ 2 5 ( N − 5 i s g r e a t e r t h a n o r e q u a l t o 0 w i t h N b e i n g a n i n t e g e r ) ⇔ 5 ≤ N ≤ 3 0 . T h e r e a r e ( 3 0 − 5 ) + 1 = 2 6 i n t e g e r v a l u e s o f N t h a t s a t i s f y t h e e q u a t i o n . Sorry, I can't write a good solution. I haven't got used to writing it yet.
Part of the trick is that under each "big" radical, is the square of a simpler expression:
(√(N-5) - 5)² = (5 - √(N-5))² = N + 20 - 10√(N-5)
(√(N-5) + 7)² = N + 44 + 14√(N-5)
Another part of the trick is, that first squared expression can take either signed form. So you have two possible simplified forms:
√(N-5) - 5 + √(N-5) + 7 = 2√(N-5) + 2 = 12
√(N-5) = 5, N = 30, . . . or
5 - √(N-5) + √(N-5) + 7 == 12
. . an identity, and it applies as long as 5 - √(N-5) is ≥ 0. And for that, along with the stipulation that N be an integer, we must only have
0 ≤ N - 5 ≤ 25 N = {5, 6, .. , 30}
which are 26 integer values, and include the one we got on the first pass.
Still can't get used to this dratted formatter that removes single-newlines, but preserves doubled ones. Meant, near the end there:
0 ≤ N - 5 ≤ 25
N = {5, 6, .. , 30}
Take a look at the equation. Easily, we could simplified the equation into this state
( N − 5 − 5 ) 2 + ( N − 5 + 7 ) 2 = 12
x 2 = ∣ x ∣ . Therefore, we have ∣ N − 5 − 5 ∣ + ∣ N − 5 + 7 ∣ . As N − 5 > 0 , we could simplify the equation until we have
∣ N − 5 − 5 ∣ = 5 − N − 5 which can only means N − 5 ≤ 5 .
With the last equation, or perhaps inequality, I must say, 5 ≤ N ≤ 3 0 is the solution.
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Let x = N − 5 , then we can rewrite the equation as:
x 2 − 1 0 x + 2 5 + x 2 + 1 4 x + 4 9 = 1 2
( x − 5 ) 2 + ( x + 7 ) 2 = 1 2
∣ x − 5 ∣ + ∣ x + 7 ∣ = 1 2
Case 1:
For 0 ≤ x ≤ 5 , imply 5 ≤ N ≤ 3 0 . We have the equation become 5 − x + x + 7 = 1 2 . Hence we have 3 0 − 5 + 1 = 2 6 integer solutions.
Case 2:
For x > 5 , we have the equation become 2 x + 2 = 1 2 imply x = 5 . Hence no solution.
Therefore from both cases, we have the answer is 2 6 .