Probabilistically Speaking, Romeo Needs To Try Harder

Romeo is trying to catch a glimpse of his one true love, Juliet. Juliet has been held captive by her father, and her only freedom is to stand at the balcony. She stands at the balcony at the start of the hour, twice each day, at some time from 7am to 9pm (inclusive).

Romeo can't be seen lingering outside, as the guards have orders by Juliet's father to kill him on sight. Yet, living would be meaningless if he can't see Juliet. What is the minimum number of times Romeo must pass by the balcony at the start of the hour, to have at least a 70% chance of seeing Juliet twice a day?

Details and assumptions

There are 15 possible times during the day that Juliet will be standing at the balcony.

13 14 12 11

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5 solutions

Daniel Chiu
Jan 8, 2014

Let us interpret the problem from a different perspective. Let n n be the answer. Given n n hours that Romeo comes, what is the probability that, if Juliet chooses 2 hours, Romeo also chose both of those? To find this probability, we count the successful over the total. The successful is when she chooses both, which happens ( n 2 ) \dbinom{n}{2} times. The total is the total number of possible choices of two hours, which happens ( 15 2 ) \dbinom{15}{2} times. Thus, ( n 2 ) ( 15 2 ) 0.7 \dfrac{\dbinom{n}{2}}{\dbinom{15}{2}}\ge 0.7 and we find n 13 n\ge\boxed{13} .

Alternatively, we can WLOG Juliet chooses the first two hours, and proceed differently.

I solved it in this way too. The key simplification here is to consider it from Juliet's perspective.

I was inspired by this Feminist Frequency video about the damsel in distress I'd seen a few days ago.

In reflection, I think I'm going to make a mental note to actively consider whether I have any androcentric biases.


For another example of male-centred assumptions making problems harder than they should be from Dartmouth.

Jamie Coombes - 7 years, 5 months ago

Very good. It's nice to see the two solutions posted here use different mechanisms.

A Brilliant Member - 7 years, 5 months ago

how the (15) function? i dont know how to calculate that=,= ( 2)

Haikal Fisabililah - 7 years, 5 months ago

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That denotes a combination. See here

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 5 months ago

We label the 15 15 possible times as S = { 1 , 2 , , 15 } S=\{1,2, \cdots, 15\} . Suppose Juliet chooses times i i & j j with 1 i < j 15 1 \leq i <j \leq 15 to stand at the balcony. Suppose Romeo will pass by at least n n times to ensure by 70 % 70\% seeing his love twice. Then, i , j R i,j \in R , the set of times in which Romeo passes the balcony. R S R \subset S \Rightarrow the probability of i , j i,j being in R R is at least 70 % 70 \% . The favourable case here is the consideration in which i , j R i,j \in R & other n 2 n-2 times are chosen from rest 13 13 times. That is,

( 15 2 n 2 ) ( 15 n ) 70 % n ( n 1 ) 147 \frac{{{15-2} \choose {n-2}}}{{{15} \choose {n}}} \geq 70 \% \Rightarrow n(n-1) \geq 147 . The minimum such n n is 13 \boxed{13} . So Romeo indeed has to strive to glimpse his love!

Did you find it surprising that Romeo needed to be there 13 times (out of 15), in order to just have a 70% chance?

Is there any intuition why this number is so high?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 5 months ago

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...Because love is arduous & complicated?

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Yeah... I guess the story will not stop being so tragic. He'll not suicide, but Juliet's father will kill him, and then Juliet will suicide, and end of the story.

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 5 months ago

as well as math

Wajih Ur Rehman - 7 years, 5 months ago

I found it a little surprising, & I guess the intuition is the success of Romeo is to be mapped on a larger sample space: the set of pairs of times chosen by Juliet, & not simply on the 15 times. The area of times of Romeo needs to be large enough so that the two times (out of 15) are present in 70 % 70 \% amount, in Romeo's set.

It is imperative to say, this doesn't mean the probability suggests he will meet Juliet by 70 % 70 \% any two times, but rather that meeting is probable in 70 13 % \frac{70}{13} \% in each trial.

A Brilliant Member - 7 years, 5 months ago

Something that came in my mind that maybe sounds obvious, but is what I think:

If one looks the pattern of combinations ( x 2 ) {x \choose 2} , the pattern is 1 , 3 , 6 , 10 , 15 , 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, \ldots . So the difference between them increases considerably. If one then looks to the percentage pattern, 0.9 , 2.9 , 5.7 , 9.5 , 0.9, 2.9, 5.7, 9.5, \ldots and the difference between percentages will be increasing, by a considerable difference. For example, if one makes the combination with 12 12 , then the percentage is under 63 63 , and you just increase 1 1 , and the percentage turns to a 74 74 , so it's more than 11 11 percent the difference, and that's a lot. This guy can't even get a 90 90 percent of chance without passing 15 15 times.

Am I right with this?

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 5 months ago

If there are 15 15 possible times during the day that Juliet will be standing at the balcony, then there are ( 15 2 ) = 105 {15 \choose 2} = 105 ways that Juliet may stand in the balcony one day. Then, not because of the multiple choice format, but we're looking for a 70 % 70\% , so we can conclude that the minimum times that Romeo will pass for a 70 % 70\% of chance will not be very far away from 15 15 . The point is, that if Romeo passes x x times, then his chance of seeing Juliet twice a day is ( x 2 ) ( 15 2 ) = ( x 2 ) 105 \frac {{x \choose 2}}{{15 \choose 2}} = \frac {{x \choose 2}}{105} . Testing the values of x x that are close to 15 15 (but smaller), we find that the minimum number of times for at least a 70 % 70\% chance is 13 \boxed {13} .

'Chinmay Nerkar
Feb 1, 2014

let romeo visits x times

total no. of ways of choosing 2 hours from 15 rs is C(15,2)

total no. of ways that she will choose 2 hrs from xhrs is C(x,2)

thus,

C(x,2)/C(15,2) > .7

=> x(x-1) > 0.7 15 14

=> x(x-1) > 147

minimum visits is 13

Biswaroop Roy
Jan 9, 2014

Let n be the number of times Romeo passes . Sample space=Number of ways in which Juliet can come out = 15C2. Number of suitable cases=Number of ways in which Romeo sees Juliet assuming she appears among the times Romeo passes= nC2. Probability=nC2 / 15C2 >= 0.7 The first such n arrives at n=13. So,answer is n=13

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