Problem of 4 4's

Level 2

The problem of 4 4's is to make as many numbers as you can using only 4 4's. For example, you could make 11 as 44 4 + 4 \frac{44}{\sqrt{4} + \sqrt{4}} , or you can make 100 as 4 ( 4 ! + 4 4 ) 4(4!+\frac{4}{4}) . My question is, how many of the positive integers can you not make? (You can use any operation you wish)

There is an infinite amount of positive integers you cannot make There is a finite amount of positive integers you cannot make You can make all positive integers

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Joshua Lowrance
Aug 30, 2018

The trick here is to use the log \log function. It is easy to see that log 4 4 = 1 ; log 4 4 = 1 2 ; log 4 4 = 1 4 \log_{4}4 = 1; \log_{4}\sqrt{4} = \frac{1}{2}; \log_{4}\sqrt{\sqrt{4}} = \frac{1}{4} and so on. We can use as many square roots as we like, so it can become something absurd like log 4 4 = 1 512 \log_{4}\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{4}}}}}}}}} = \frac{1}{512} .

Then, we can take the log \log of that , but using a number smaller than 1 in the base, like 1 2 \frac{1}{2} . For example,

log 1 2 ( log 4 4 ) = log 1 2 ( 1 512 ) = 9 \log_{\frac{1}{2}}(\log_{4}\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{4}}}}}}}}}) = \log_{\frac{1}{2}}(\frac{1}{512}) = 9 .

And to represent 1 2 \frac{1}{2} in terms of 4's, we simply write 4 4 \frac{\sqrt{4}}{4} . Therefore,

log 4 4 ( log 4 4 ) = \log_{\frac{\sqrt{4}}{4}}(\log_{4}\sqrt{\sqrt{\cdots\sqrt{\sqrt{4}}}}) = # of square roots you use. Now it is easy to see that you can make all positive integers using only 4 4's.

(Credit to Paul Dirac)

Interesting

Mohammad Farhat - 2 years, 9 months ago

Credit to Paul Dirac

Freddie Hand - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Really ???

Mohammad Farhat - 2 years, 9 months ago

Oh ok, so it was Paul Dirac? I wasn't sure who came up with this ... I recently found it in my notes from about a year ago. Thank you for letting me know!!!

Joshua Lowrance - 2 years, 9 months ago

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chakravarthy b - 2 years, 3 months ago

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