Projectile strikes a wall

A ball is thrown horizontally from the top of a tower of unknown height. Ball strikes a vertical wall whose plane is normal to the plane of motion of ball. Collision is elastic and ball falls on ground exactly at the midpoint between the tower and the wall. Ball strikes the ground at an angle of 3 0 30^{\circ} with the horizontal. The distance between the tower and the wall is l = 8 3 m l=8\sqrt{3} \,\text{m} . Find the height of tower, H H , in metres .

Note: The path in the image isn't the exact trajectory of the ball, its drawn poorly.


The answer is 6.

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9 solutions

Tim Vermeulen
Dec 18, 2013

d horizontal = 3 2 l = 12 3 m v horizontal = d horizontal t = 12 3 t m / s \begin{aligned} d_\text{horizontal} &=& \frac{3}{2} \cdot l = 12\sqrt{3}\, \text{m} \\ v_\text{horizontal} &=& \frac{d_\text{horizontal}}{t} = \frac{12\sqrt{3}}{t} \text{m}/\text{s} \end{aligned}

v vertical = sin 3 0 v = v 2 m / s v horizontal = cos 3 0 v = 3 v 2 m / s } v vertical = v horizontal 3 = 12 t m / s \left. \begin{aligned} v_{\text{vertical}} &=& \sin30^\circ \cdot v = \frac{v}{2} \text{m}/\text{s} \\ v_{\text{horizontal}} &=& \cos30^\circ \cdot v = \frac{\sqrt{3}v}{2} \text{m}/\text{s} \end{aligned} \quad \right\} \quad v_{\text{vertical}} = \frac{v_\text{horizontal}}{\sqrt{3}} = \frac{12}{t} \text{m}/\text{s}

v vertical = g t 12 t = g t t 2 = 12 g m 2 / s 2 h = 1 2 g t 2 = 1 2 g 12 g = 6 m \begin{aligned} v_\text{vertical} &=& g \cdot t \implies \frac{12}{t} = g \cdot t \implies t^2 = \frac{12}{g} \text{m}^2/\text{s}^2 \\ h &=& \frac{1}{2} gt^2 = \frac{1}{2}g \cdot \frac{12}{g} = \boxed{6}\, \text{m} \end{aligned}

In the fifth line, the unit should obviously be s 2 \text{s}^2 , not m 2 / s 2 \text{m}^2/\text{s}^2 .

Tim Vermeulen - 7 years, 5 months ago
Isaac Bernal
Dec 17, 2013

using the equation of the parabola ( Since the collision is elastic, We can "mirror" the lower part of the parabola to the other side of the wall making it continuous )

y=ax^2+bx+c

y'=2ax+b

origin at the base of tower, ( c=H )

at x=0, y'=0 (because it is thrown horizontally)

at x=12sqrt3 (ground) , y'=-tan(30)

we will get b=0 and a=-1/72

equation of the trajectory --> y=(-x^2)/72 + H

finally at x=12sqrt3 , y=0

H=6m

thanks dude :D

amgalan amgaa - 7 years, 4 months ago
Tan Kiat
Dec 19, 2013

The velocity at the point just before the ball strikes the ground is given by V x V_x for its horizontal component of its velocity, and V y V_y for its vertical component of its velocity.

Hence, by forming a right-angled triangle, we have t a n ( 3 0 o ) = V y V x tan(30^o) = \frac{V_y}{V_x}

Note that upon collision with the wall, only the horizontal velocity changes direction, completely (as the collision is elastic)

Let the velocity of the ball just after being thrown be U x U_x . Hence, V x V_x = U x -U_x .

Furthermore, by the kinematics equation S x = ( U x ) ( t ) S_x = (U_x)(t) , we get 12 3 = ( V x ) ( t ) 12\sqrt{3} = (-V_x)(t) , where t t is the time taken for the ball to hit the ground. Hence, V x = 12 3 t V_x = -\frac{12\sqrt{3}}{t}

In addition, by the kinematics equation V y = U y + a t V_y = U_y + at , we have : V y = ( g ) t V_y = (-g)t .

With the expressions for V y V_y , U y U_y and that t a n ( 3 0 o ) = 1 3 tan(30^o) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} , substitute these expressions into the first equation obtained to get

1 3 = g t 2 12 3 \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} = \frac{gt^2}{12\sqrt{3}} , and hence, 12 = g t 2 12 = gt^2

With that, to calculate the height of the tower H H , where H = S y H = S_y , we use S y = ( U y ) ( t ) + 1 2 a t 2 S_y = (U_y)(t) + \frac{1}{2}at^2 , to get

H = 0.5 g t 2 H = 0.5gt^2

Hence, substituting g t 2 = 12 gt^2 = 12 , H = 6 m H = \boxed{6}m

Thaddeus Abiy
Dec 15, 2013

Energy is not lost anywhere so 1 2 m v 0 2 = m g H \frac{1}{2}mv_0^{2}=mgH hence H = v 0 2 2 g H=\frac{v_0^{2}}{2g}

The velocity vector hitting the ground at 3 0 30^\circ makes a 3 0 6 0 9 0 30^\circ-60^\circ-90^\circ triangle with the wall. Therefore for the 6 0 60^\circ triangle at the wall,

s i n 6 0 = v f x / v f y = v 0 / v f y sin60^\circ=vf_x/vf_y=v_0/vf_y

where v f y vf_y is the y y component of the velocity vector hitting the wall. We can also write v f y vf_y as v f y = 0 × t f + g t f = g t f vf_y=0 \times t_f + gt_f=gt_f where t f t_f is the time taken to reach the wall. So we have:

V 0 = V f y s i n 6 0 V_0=Vf_ysin60^\circ

V f y = g t f Vf_y=gt_f

t f = 8 3 v 0 t_f=\frac{ 8 \sqrt{3} }{v_0} as well, since the horizontal component of v 0 v_0 remains constant

solving for V 0 V_0 gives V 0 2 = 8 3 g s i n 6 0 V_0^{2}=8\sqrt{3}gsin60^\circ .Putting V 0 2 V_0^{2} in H = V 0 2 2 g H=\frac{V_0^{2}}{2g} gives H = 4 3 s i n 6 0 = 6 H=4\sqrt{3}sin60^\circ=6 .

I think mgH =1/2 mV²_fy
& Vx/Vy = tan 60° not sin60 , x&y are mutually perpendicular components

also v-a-t eqn. is v=u+at not v=/=ut +at

Sabarinath M S - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Your right thanks..unfortunately no way of editing my solution

Thaddeus Abiy - 7 years, 5 months ago
Yogesh Ghadge
Aug 12, 2014

the relation between H and R is written as H = xtan(thita) (1-x/R) where h=height , R = Range , x=Distance traveled thus H = 4sqrt3 tan30 (1-4sqrt3/8sqrt3) we get H = 2 repeat the same method for upper part of building

Sumit Kumar
Feb 28, 2014

if wall would not have been there ball would have taken a symmetric path falling 8sqrt{3}+4sqrt{3) and angle would also remain same ie

tan(theta)=\sqrt { 2gh } /u

and u*t=12\sqrt { 3 }

t=\sqrt { 2h/g }

substituting we get h=6

Clifford Wilmot
Dec 19, 2013

Note that the wall has no effect on vertical motion, and only serves to reflect the ball back, so our problem is reduced to finding H H when there is no wall and the ball instead lands 12 3 m 12\sqrt{3}~m horizontally from the tower. If we let the speed the ball was thrown at be u u , then because it lands at 3 0 30^{\circ} to the horizontal, its vertical speed at that time is u 3 \frac{u}{\sqrt{3}} .

We can now use SUVAT on the height fallen to deduce that u 2 = 58.8 H u^2=58.8H ( 1 ) (1) (taking g g to be 9.8 m s 2 9.8~ms^{-2} ) and that H = 4.9 t 2 H=4.9t^2 ( 2 ) (2) , where t t is the time taken for the ball to fall. We can also deduce using speed = distance time \text{speed}=\frac{\text{distance}}{\text{time}} on the horizontal motion that u = 12 3 t u=\frac{12\sqrt{3}}{t} ( 3 ) (3) . We can then solve equations ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) (1), (2) and ( 3 ) (3) to give H = 6 m H=6~m .

Sabarinath M S
Dec 16, 2013

horizontal velocity : Vx

vertical velocity : Vy

total time of flight: T

1)Ball is thrown horizontally from the top of tower

(let Vx = u & Vy = gt )

2)Ball collides to the wall elastically.(at a distance 8√3 m away from tower)

since the collision is elastic , ball's horizontal velocity is reversed in direction at the point of collision without any change in its magnitude

(velocity along the wall(Vy) is unaltered since it does not participate in collision of ball to the wall)

(Vx = -u & Vy = gt)

3)ball lands 4√3 m away from the wall

----->net horizontal distance travelled ={8√3 m from tower to wall)}+ {4√3 m from wall to ground} =12√3 m

since horizontal velocity is constant --->horizontal velocity x total time of flight =12√3

---->u xT = 12√3---------(1)

4)Ball lands at an angle of 30° to the ground====>tan30° = Vy/Vx

Vy =gt = g xT =gT & Vx = -u

====>tan 30 = (gT) /(-u) ===>1/√3 = -gT/u ----(2)

we know free fall distance ,h =1/2 gT²
---(since the ball has no vertical velocity component at starting point)

we now know ,uT=12√3 ---(1) & -gT/u = 1/√3 ----(2)

==>(1)x(2) -----> uT x -gT/u =12√3 x 1/√3

===> -gT² = 12

since ,h=1/2 gT² = 1/2 . ( -12) = -6 m

===> free fall distance ,h = -6m

free fall distance = - heigt of tower

so height of tower = 6m

Pavan Kumar
Dec 15, 2013

U_{x} = initial horizontal velocity

U_{Y} = initial vertical velocity

V_{x} = final horizontal velocity

V_{Y} = final horizontal velocity

H = height of wall

since it is elastic collision the speed does not change. Only the direction of speed of changes. If you resolve the velocity of ball into horizontal and vertical component, the vertical velocity which is parallel to wall does not change. The horizontal velocity which is perpendicular to wall will simply change its direction (magnitude remains same) after collision. The ball would have hit ground at a distance of 12\sqrt{3} m from wall.

now

tan(30)= V {Y}/V {X} = 1/sqrt{3} ---1

horizontal distance = horizontal velocity * time

12\sqrt{3} = U_{X} \times t ---2

from equation V=U + at (here initial vertical velocity is zero)

V_{y} = gt ---3 (here acceleration of gravity)

from equation V^{2} - U^{2} = 2as (referring to vertical velocity,here a is g, U is zero and s is height of building )

V_{y}^(2) = 2gH --- 4

also U {x} = V {x} ---5 (since no acceleration in horizontal direction)

solve these 5 equations and find H

For elastic collision, you can simply remove the wall and the trajectory after the collision is nothing more than the mirror image the of original trajectory (after the collision). Now the horizontal distance covered by the ball is 8 3 + 4 3 = 12 3 8\sqrt{3} + 4\sqrt{3} = 12\sqrt{3} . And the ball strikes the ground at angle 15 0 150^\circ with the horizontal. It simplifies the problem a bit.

Akash K. - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Great! That's the expected solution! :)

And it simplifies the problem to a great extent.

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 5 months ago

Good hint

Akshay Bhatia - 7 years, 5 months ago

I used the same method.

Akash K. - 7 years, 5 months ago

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