Proportional factors?

A positive integer n n has d d positive divisors.

After doubling n , n, you find that 2 n 2n has 2 d 2d positive divisors.

Is it possible that after tripling n , n, you will find that 3 n 3n has 3 d 3d positive divisors?

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David Vreken
Feb 25, 2018

Relevant wiki: Factors / Divisors - Problem Solving

Let n n be the given integer, and ( d 1 , d 2 , . . . , d n ) (d_1, d_2, ..., d_n) be the set of positive divisors of n n . Then the positive divisors of 3 n 3n would include all the divisors of n n ( d 1 , d 2 , . . . , d n ) (d_1, d_2, ..., d_n) and any new unique number formed by multiplying the original divisors by 3 3 ( 3 d 1 , 3 d 2 , . . . , 3 d n ) (3d_1, 3d_2, ..., 3d_n) . Even if all the new divisors are unique, we can at most double the size of the list, so tripling the given positive integer can never result in triple the number of positive divisors.

Simple and sound argument, great! A note on why no divisor of 3 n 3n could exist that wasn't accounted for in the first and second lists wouldn't hurt.

Andrew Lamoureux - 3 years, 3 months ago

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++ Agreed. Thanks for the explanation!

Ravi Dayabhai - 3 years, 3 months ago

So, was the hypothesis that when you double the number, you get twice the number of divisors unnecessary?

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Yes, I believe so.

David Vreken - 3 years, 3 months ago

You can show it with the same reasoning David presented, just by replacing 3 by 2. This works, since both are primes.

Mathias de Riese - 3 years, 3 months ago

What about 0? n=0 has 0 posible divisors(d=0), So if we multiply 0 by 2 then the number of divisors it should have would be 2d and this is 2*0 which is also correct. and 3n has 3d 3(0) has exactly 3(0) divisors.

This answer seems wrong, can someone explain why?

Martín Urrutia - 3 years, 3 months ago

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n is defined as a positive integer, so it cannot be 0

David Vreken - 3 years, 3 months ago

Second of all 0 has infinite positive divisors : 0 : R = 0 ,where R can be any rational number you want.

Nikolas Кraj - 2 years, 3 months ago

If n= 1, then d = 1 Then 2n = 2 which have 2 divisors and 2d = 2. Now 3n = 3 which has 3 divisors ( which= 3d) Thus, answer should be yes!

25 STYLE - 3 years, 2 months ago

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3 only has 2 divisors (1 and 3), so the answer is no.

David Vreken - 3 years, 2 months ago
Csaba Sulyok
Mar 5, 2018

If doubling n n doubles the number of divisors, n n must be a prime number which is not 2 2 : n n has 2 divisors ( 1 1 and n n ) while 2 n 2n would have 4 ( 1 1 , 2 2 , n n and 2 n 2n ).

So if n n is prime, then 3 n 3n would also always have 4 divisors ( 1 1 , 3 3 , n n and 3 n 3n ), with an exception if n = 3 n=3 . But either way, d d has no way of tripling in this case.

your assumption is incorrect. any odd number will have double the divisors when doubled

Matteo Provini - 3 years, 3 months ago

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True. At the same time, if it doesn't work for prime numbers it can't work for composite ones

Steve Gualtieri - 3 years, 3 months ago

Introducing any new base into a number's prime factorization doubles the number of divisors. For example, if introducing the base 2 into 25=5^2, we double the number to 50 and increase the number of divisors from 3 to 6.

Andrew Lamoureux - 3 years, 3 months ago

No, n doesn’t have to be a prime number, any odd number will do.

Kent Eklöv - 3 years, 3 months ago

not necessarily, if doubling n doubles the number of divisors, n has to HAVE only prime factors, but not necessarily be a prime number itself. If n = p1 * p2 * p3 * ... * pn, then 2n would have p1, p2, pn as divisors, but also 2 p1, 2 p2, and since all the factors are prime, you can be sure that 2 * any prime factor would not be in the initial list.

Claudiu Apostol - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Actually, all it has to be is not even. Also, every number has only prime factors in a sense.

Madhur Agrawal - 3 years, 3 months ago

n need not be prime, nor even. Any number will do: Just replace 3 by 2 in the David Vrekens answer.

Mathias de Riese - 3 years, 3 months ago

n need not to be prime it must be just odd no.

Kapil Lodhi - 3 years ago

If you double 9 you double the number of divisors and 9 is not prime. Just another counterexample​ to your rule.

EBELLE LOBE Morel - 2 years, 10 months ago
Andrew Lamoureux
Mar 5, 2018

Introducing any new base into a number's prime factorization doubles the amount of factors.

Therefore, if n n exist, it must already by divisible by 3 e 3^e .

Consider the number m = n / 3 e m = n / 3^e and suppose it had k k factors.

  • 3 m 3*m would have 2 k 2*k factors (100% increase in factors)
  • 3 3 m 3*3*m would have 3 k 3*k factors (50% increase in factors)
  • 3 3 3 m 3*3*3*m would have 4 k 4*k factors (33% increase in factors)
  • ...

So multiplying by 3 will never triple the number of factors.

Igor L
Mar 5, 2018

Let n n be the given number, n = p 1 s 1 p 2 s 2 3 s 3 . . . p N s N n=p_1^{s_1}p_2^{s_2}3^{s_3}...p_N^{s_N} . Then the number of positive divisors d = ( s 1 + 1 ) ( s 2 + 1 ) ( s 3 + 1 ) . . . . ( s N + 1 ) d = (s_1 + 1)(s_2 + 1)(s_3 + 1)....({s_N} + 1) . So 3 n = 3 p 1 s 1 p 2 s 2 3 s 3 . . . p N s N = p 1 s 1 p 2 s 2 3 s 3 + 1 . . . p N s N 3 \cdot n=3 \cdot p_1^{s_1}p_2^{s_2}3^{s_3}...{p_N}^{s_N}=p_1^{s_1}p_2^{s_2}3^{s_3 + 1}...{p_N}^{s_N} , and number of positive divisors for 3 n 3 \cdot n is ( s 1 + 1 ) ( s 2 + 1 ) ( s 3 + 2 ) . . . . ( s N + 1 ) (s_1 + 1)(s_2 + 1)(s_3 + 2)....({s_N} + 1) , where is s 3 s_3 is original number for 3 s 3 3^{s_3} . Let imagine that hypothesis is true, i.e. 3 d = ( s 1 + 1 ) ( s 2 + 1 ) ( s 3 + 2 ) . . . . ( s N + 1 ) 3 \cdot d = (s_1 + 1)(s_2 + 1)(s_3 + 2)....({s_N} + 1)

it should be 3 ( s 1 + 1 ) ( s 2 + 1 ) ( s 3 + 1 ) . . . . ( s N + 1 ) = ( s 1 + 1 ) ( s 2 + 1 ) ( s 3 + 2 ) . . . . ( s N + 1 ) 3(s_1 + 1)(s_2 + 1)(s_3 + 1)....({s_N} + 1)=(s_1 + 1)(s_2 + 1)(s_3 + 2)....({s_N} + 1) all s N 0 {s_N}\geqslant0 and we can divide both sides by non-zero expressions, as a result we have 3 ( s 3 + 1 ) = ( s 3 + 2 ) 3(s_3 + 1)=(s_3 + 2) or 2 s 3 = 1 2s_3=-1 we cannot solve it for s 3 0 {s_3}\geqslant0 . Conflict occurred, it seems our initial hypothesis was wrong.

what if n =1?

Metta Ubuntu - 3 years, 3 months ago

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well, n=1 has d=1 divisor, 3n=3*1 has 2 positive divisors (1,3), so 3d=3 is not equal to 2 - number of divisors for 3n.

Igor L - 3 years, 3 months ago

I don't understand d=(s1+1)x(s2+1)... If I take 24, for example, and assuming that p1, p2, etc are primes, then 24=2^3 x 3^1 in which case (s1+1) x (s2+1`) = (3+1) x (1+1) = 8. 24 has 6 positive divisors, 2,3,4,6,8,12 in which case d = 6. Am I making an incorrect assumption about p1, p2, etc?

David Millsom - 3 years, 3 months ago

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1 and 24 are positive divisors of 24 too, so 8 in total. You are correct about p1 and p2.

Le Nin - 3 years, 3 months ago
Fabricio Kolberg
Mar 7, 2018

Whenever you multiply a number by a prime, the number of divisors of the new number is at most twice the number of divisors of the previous number. That is easy to verify: if n n is not divisible by 3, then the divisors of 3 n 3n will consist of every divisor n n already had plus those same divisors multiplied by 3. If, however, n n is divisible by 3, suppose 3 k 3^k is the highest power of 3 that divides n n : then the number of divisors that will be added by multiplying n n by 3 is the number of divisors of n n that have 3 k 3^k as a factor (the new divisors will consist of those divisors times 3).

Nidhi Singhal
Mar 8, 2018

Simple Consider 1 for example 1 has1 as divisor 2×1 has 2 and 1 as. Divisir 3×1 has 3 and 1 as divisor Same for other

You did not answer the question.

I'm asking if there is a positive integer n n that satisfy these constraints, but you have only shown that (n=1) does not satisfy this constraints.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 3 months ago
Divas Subedi
Mar 5, 2018

Given number n n has d d number of divisors. We have to make number of divisors p k d p_k d by multiplying the number n n by p k p_k .
We can write n n as p 1 e 1 × p 2 e 2 × p 2 e k × p k e k × p^{e_1}_1 \times p^{e_2}_2 \times p^{e_k}_2 \times p^{e_k}_k \times \ldots .
So the value of d d will be ( e k + 1 ) × ( e 1 + 1 ) × ( e 2 + 1 ) × ( e 3 + 1 ) × (e_k + 1) \times (e_1 + 1) \times (e_2 + 1) \times (e_3 + 1) \times \ldots .
After multiplying the number n n with p k p_k the p k d p_k d = ( e k + 2 ) × ( e 1 + 1 ) × ( e 2 + 1 ) × ( e 3 + 1 ) × (e_k + 2) \times (e_1 + 1) \times (e_2 + 1) \times (e_3 + 1) \times \ldots


( e k + 2 ) × ( e 1 + 1 ) × ( e 2 + 1 ) × ( e 3 + 1 ) × (e_k + 2) \times (e_1 + 1) \times (e_2 + 1) \times (e_3 + 1) \times \ldots = p k ( e k + 1 ) × ( e 1 + 1 ) × ( e 2 + 1 ) × ( e 3 + 1 ) × p_k (e_k + 1) \times (e_1 + 1) \times (e_2 + 1) \times (e_3 + 1) \times \ldots .
( e k + 2 ) = p k ( e k + 1 ) (e_k + 2) = p_k (e_k + 1)
We can plot the values for p k p_k and e k e_k and see that for ( p k , e k N p_k , e_k \in N ), only satisfying values are. e k = 0 e_k= 0 and p k = 2 p_k =2 .

I feel this is over-simplistic, but a number which is doubled has only one more divisor - itself + 2 if n is odd, or only itself if it's even.

I) If n is even -> 2d=d+1 -> d = 1 II) If n is odd -> 2d=d+2 -> d = 2

Now, same rationale applies for 3n. Either 3 was already a divisor, and we have now only 3n as the new divisor, or 3 was not a divisor, and we have now 3 and 3n as new divisors.

III) if n is multiple of 3, then 3d=d+1 -> d=1/2 (not possible for d must be an integer) IV) 3n is multiple of 3, then 3d=d+2 -> d=1

However, the only multiple of 3 with only one divisor is 3 itself. Thus, 3n=9 -> n=3. That contradicts both I and II.

Thus, it's not possible.

Paulo Vinicius - 3 years, 3 months ago
Mihir Mallick
Mar 9, 2018

We denote the number of divisors of n n by τ ( n ) \tau(n) Now, since τ \tau is a multiplicative function, we have τ ( 2 n ) = τ ( 2 ) τ ( n ) = 2 τ ( n ) \tau(2n)=\tau(2)\tau(n)=2\tau(n) Similarly, τ ( 3 n ) = τ ( 3 ) τ ( n ) = 2 τ ( n ) \tau(3n)=\tau(3)\tau(n)=2\tau(n) Hence, after tripling, it still will have twice as many divisors as there were of n n . (This, in general is true when n n is multiplied by p p , a prime number. In our case, p = 3 p=3 )

Meneghin Mauro
Mar 6, 2018

The only multipliers for which this can happen are 1 (always) and 2 (if n is odd)

If we multiplied n n by 3 2 3^2 , then it is possible.

This isn't a solution.

Blan Morrison - 3 years, 3 months ago

Not necessarily. What happens when n n is (already) divisible by 3?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 3 months ago

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It's sometimes possible though?

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, not necessarily. That is what I meant by saying possible.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 3 months ago

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