A polynomial P ( x ) is defined as P ( x ) = 2 x 3 + 3 x 2 + 5 x + 1
If the roots of P ( x ) are p , q , r , then the value of p 3 q 3 + q 3 r 3 + r 3 p 3 can be expressed as b a for positive coprime integers a and b . What is a + b ?
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This problem can also be solved by substituting a=pq ,b=qr, c=rp and using formula a 3 + b 3 + c 3 = ( a + b + c ) ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 − ∑ a b ) + 3 a b c
P(x^1/3) works
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P(x)=2x^3+3x^2+5x+1=0 Its roots are p,q,r Now find P(x^1/3)=0 i.e P(x^1/3)=2(x^3)^1/3+3(x^2)^1/3+5(x^1/3)+1=0 By simplyfying you get 2x+3(x^2/3)+5(x^1/3)+1=0 3(x^2/3)+5(x^1/3)= -(2x+1) cubing on both sides After that simplifying you get 8x^3-51x^2+86x+1=0 whose roots becomes p^3 ,q^3 ,r^3 by using relations between roots and coefficients The value of given exp is 86/8=43/4 So a=43 , b=4 then a+b=47
I think you understand my solution
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Find P(x^1/3)=0 then we get an equation 8x^3-51x^2+86x+1=0 whosee roots are p^3,q^3,r^3 And the value of givexpression is 86/8=43/4
The method I used is transformation of equations and it is easiest method
@Daniel Liu What math course do you take?
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In school I am taking Geo, but I have done a little bit of Calculus already.
Same approach basically taken by me. I also have a problem too with the reciprocated roots thingamajigger that you wrote a solution for. :D
P(x)=2x^3+3x^2+5x+1=0 Its roots are p,q,r Now find P(x^1/3)=0 i.e P(x^1/3)=2(x^3)^1/3+3(x^2)^1/3+5(x^1/3)+1=0 By simplyfying you get 2x+3(x^2/3)+5(x^1/3)+1=0 3(x^2/3)+5(x^1/3)= -(2x+1) cubing on both sides After that simplifying you get 8x^3-51x^2+86x+1=0 whose roots becomes p^3 ,q^3 ,r^3 by using relations between roots and coefficients The value of given exp is 86/8=43/4 So a=43 , b=4 then a+b=47
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That solution seems really bashy. I doubt it takes any longer than my solution.
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Write both methods in a paper in detail And check which is longer
I think you understand my solution
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i solved the equation got the roots and the simple arithmatic
Using direct Vieta theorem will be more effective
By Vieta's we have: p + q + r = − 2 3 , p q + q r + r p = 2 5 , p q r = − 2 1 . Now note that:
( p q ) 2 + ( q r ) 2 + ( r p ) 2 = = = = ( p q + q r + r p ) 2 − 2 ( p q ⋅ q r + q r ⋅ r p + r p ⋅ p q ) ( p q + q r + r p ) 2 − 2 p q r ( p + q + r ) ( 2 5 ) 2 − 2 ⋅ ( − 2 1 ) ⋅ ( − 2 3 ) 4 1 9
So we have:
( p q ) 3 + ( q r ) 3 + ( r p ) 3 = = = = ( p q + q r + r p ) { ( p q ) 2 + ( q r ) 2 + ( r p ) 2 − p q ⋅ q r − q r ⋅ r p − r p ⋅ p q } + 3 p 2 q 2 r 2 ( p q + q r + r p ) { ( p q ) 2 + ( q r ) 2 + ( r p ) 2 − p q r ( p + q + r ) } + 3 ( p q r ) 2 2 5 { 4 1 9 − ( − 2 1 ) ( − 2 3 ) } + 3 ( − 2 1 ) 2 4 4 3
Hence the answer is: 4 3 + 4 = 4 7 .
I did a mess. I mistook a plus sign with a minus sign - then used up all my trials. You know, if we had made a mistake we could change, we shouldn't have made that mistake. xP
From Vieta's formulas, p + q + r = 2 − 3 , p q + p r + q r = 2 5 , and p q r = 2 − 1 .
We can rewrite the original expression as the following:
p 3 q 3 + q 3 r 3 + r 3 p 3
= ( p q + p r + q r ) 3 − ( 3 p 3 q 2 r + 3 p 3 r 2 q + 3 q 3 p 2 r + 3 q 3 r 2 p + 3 r 3 p 2 q + 3 r 3 q 2 p + 6 p 2 q 2 r 2 )
= ( p q + p r + q r ) 3 − 6 ( p q r ) 2 − 3 p q r ( p 2 q + p 2 r + q 2 p + q 2 r + r 2 p + r 2 q )
= ( p q + p r + q r ) 3 − 6 ( p q r ) 2 − 3 p q r [ ( p + q + r ) ( p q + p r + q r ) − 3 p q r ]
We can now plug in our values for p + q + r , p q + p r + q r , and p q r to get 4 4 3 , so our answer is 4 7 .
Congratulations. Just Vieta's formulas and algebraic work.
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First off, we notice by Vieta's that p q r = − 2 1 . Thus, p q = − 2 r 1 , q r = − 2 p 1 , and r p = − 2 q 1 .
Plugging these values in, we get ( − 2 r 1 ) 3 + ( − 2 p 1 ) 3 + ( − 2 q 1 ) 3 or − 8 1 ( p 3 1 + q 3 1 + r 3 1 )
How do we find the value of p 3 1 + q 3 1 + r 3 1 though? If we could find another polynomial with roots p 1 , q 1 , r 1 then we could find it. Thankfully, this polynomial is simply Q ( x ) = x 3 P ( x 1 ) = x 3 + 5 x 2 + 3 x + 2
Thus all we need to do is find the sum of the cubes of the roots of Q ( x ) . This sounds like a job for Newton Sums. Let P n = α n + β n + γ n , where α , β , γ are the roots of Q ( x ) .
We have that: P 1 + 5 = 0 P 2 + 5 P 1 + 6 = 0 P 3 + 5 P 2 + 3 P 1 + 6 = 0
Solving for P 3 , we get that P 3 = − 8 6 . Thus, α 3 + β 3 + γ 3 = − 8 6 , so p 3 1 + q 3 1 + r 3 1 = − 8 6 , and p 3 q 3 + q 3 r 3 + r 3 p 3 = − 8 1 ( p 3 1 + q 3 1 + r 3 1 ) = 4 4 3 thus our final answer is 4 7 .