Ptolemy's Riddle II

Geometry Level 4

Once upon a time, Ptolemy let his pupil draw an equilateral triangle A B C ABC inscribed in a circle before the great mathematician depicted point D D and joined the red lines with other vertices, as shown below.

Ptolemy : Dost thou see that all the red lines have the lengths in whole integers?
Pupil : Indeed, master! Such an extraordinary point!
Ptolemy : Now if the equilateral triangle has a side length of 13, what is the sum of the three red lengths combined?


The answer is 30.

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Since A B C D ABCD is a cyclic quadrilateral, C D A + C B A = 18 0 \angle CDA + \angle CBA = 180^\circ . And since A B C ABC is an equilateral triangle, C B A = 6 0 \angle CBA = 60^\circ . Then C D A = 12 0 \angle CDA = 120^\circ ).

By using cosine rule, A C 2 = 1 3 2 = 169 = C D 2 + D A 2 2 ( C D ) ( D A ) ( cos 12 0 ) = C D 2 + D A 2 + ( C D ) ( D A ) AC^2 = 13^2 = 169 = CD^2 + DA^2 -2(CD)(DA)(\cos 120^\circ) = CD^2 + DA^2 + (CD)(DA)

Let C D = x CD = x and D A = y DA = y for some integers x , y x,y . We can then set up a quadratic equation:

x 2 + x y + ( y 2 169 ) = 0 x^2 + xy + (y^2 - 169) = 0

The quadratic residue must then be perfect square: y 2 4 ( y 2 169 ) = n 2 y^2 -4(y^2 - 169) = n^2 for some integer n n .

Thus, 2 6 2 3 y 2 = n 2 26^2 - 3y^2 = n^2 .

2 6 2 n 2 = 3 y 2 26^2 - n^2 = 3y^2

( 26 n ) ( 26 + n ) = 3 y 2 (26-n)(26+n) = 3y^2

26 n > 0 26 - n >0 . n < 26 n < 26

If 26 n 1 ( m o d 3 ) 26 - n \equiv 1 \pmod 3 , then 26 + n 0 ( m o d 3 ) 26 + n \equiv 0\pmod 3 .

If 26 n 0 ( m o d 3 ) 26 - n \equiv 0 \pmod 3 , then 26 + n 1 ( m o d 3 ) 26 + n \equiv 1\pmod 3 .

Thus, n n is not a multiple of 3 3 .

If n = 23 n = 23 , then y = 7 y = 7 . Then x = 8 x = 8 .

Then by Ptolemy's Theorem , D B × 13 = 13 × 7 + 13 × 8 DB\times 13 = 13\times 7 + 13\times 8 .

Thus, D B = C D + D A = 7 + 8 = 15 DB = CD + DA = 7+8 = 15 .

As a result, D C + D B + D A = 30 DC + DB + DA = \boxed{30} .

is there any other way to do this without using congruences ???

Khushank Galgat - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Given n<26, we can check for all possible values by brute force, but with modular congruence, it helps save time.

Worranat Pakornrat - 2 years, 9 months ago

think of the limit as D tends to A then ADC =13 and ADB =13 so the sum must be 26 since it is constant and independent of the position of D

Lienad Noom - 5 months, 2 weeks ago

Very helpful Sir thanks

Origin X - 1 year, 11 months ago

I used a similar method first, but then i took an ideal approach and took BD as the diameter. Then the answer to the question came out to be approximately 30.02, but it said the answer was integer, so i approximated it to 30.

Abhyudit Singh - 1 year, 6 months ago

I used ptolemy's second theorem which narrowed the possible values of the longer diagonal to be 14,15,16 and 17.

Hitesh Yadav - 5 months ago
Ujjwal Rane
Jan 26, 2017

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Let the red lengths be a, b and c as shown. 13 < b < diameter = 2 × 13 3 = 15.011 \frac{2\times 13}{\sqrt{3}} = 15.011 and it has to be an integer. So it must be 14 or 15. Just two possibilities! Cheap enough for trial and error :-)

Moreover, A D B = C D B = 60 ° \angle ADB = \angle CDB = 60° Hence, cos A D B = 1 2 = a 2 + b 2 1 3 3 2 a b \cos ADB = \frac{1}{2} = \frac{a^2+b^2-13^3}{2ab} Try b = 14 and 15 only b=15 gives integer values of a = 7 or 8. So if a = 7, c must be 8 or vice versa. But irrespective of that the sum of the three red lengths is 7 + 8 + 15 = 30.

In face, Ptolemy could have been more impressive by saying, "And there is one more point that does it!" :-) (of course, that follows from symmetry too.)

Let DA=a and DC=b

Angle ADC=120*

From cosine rule,

a 2 + b 2 + a b = 1 3 2 = 169 a^2 + b^2 +ab = 13^2 =169

( a + b ) 2 a b = 225 56 (a+b)^2 - ab = 225 - 56

( a + b ) 2 a b = ( 7 + 8 ) 2 ( 7 8 ) (a+b)^2 - ab = (7+8)^2 - (7*8)

On comparing,

a=7,b=8

From Ptolmey's theorem,

13a + 13b = 13.BD

Therefore, a+b = BD

a+b+BD = 2(a+b)

=2(7+8)

=30

thanx a lot bro

Dhairya Gupta - 1 year, 7 months ago

1- realize that DA=DC from equal angles of 60° facing same arcs respectively

2- apply Ptolemy's Theorem so that DB=DC+DA= 2DA

3- apply cosine law in ACD triangle to get that DA = 13/SQRT(3)

4- Sum = 4 DA = 52/sqrt(3) = 30

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