Qi Huan's square

Geometry Level 3

A B C D ABCD is a square with side length 10 10 and P P is a point in the interior of A B C D ABCD such that P A = 6 PA=6 and P B = 8 PB=8 . If the length of P C PC is written as a b a\sqrt{b} , where a a and b b are positive integers, and b b is not a multiple of the square of any prime, what is the value of a + b a+b ?

This problem is posed by Qi Huan T.


The answer is 19.

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13 solutions

Consider A , A, B , B, C C and D D are points on cartesian coordinates with A ( 0 , 0 ) , A(0,0), B ( 10 , 0 ) , B(10,0), C ( 10 , 10 ) C(10,10) and D ( 0 , 10 ) . D(0,10). Let point P ( x , y ) P(x,y) (with x x and y y both positive) located inside square A B C D . ABCD. Because P A PA = = 6 6 and P B PB = = 8 , 8,

x 2 x^2 + + y 2 y^2 = = 6 2 6^2

( 10 x ) 2 (10 - x)^2 + + y 2 y^2 = = 8 2 8^2

Solve both equations as we get x x = = 18 5 \frac {18}{5} and y y = = ± 24 5 , \pm \frac {24}{5}, hence P ( 18 5 , 24 5 ) . P(\frac {18}{5},\frac {24}{5}).

P C 2 PC^2 = = ( 10 18 5 ) 2 (10 - \frac {18}{5})^2 + ( 10 24 5 ) 2 (10 - \frac {24}{5})^2

P C 2 PC^2 = = 68 68

P C PC = = 2 17 2\sqrt{17}

As a result, a + b a + b = 2 + 17 2 + 17 = 19 19

Most solutions approached this directly by setting up cartesian coordinates and working out the lengths. This was motivated by the large number of right angles that were involved in the question.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Fabrizio Berritta
May 20, 2014

A P B APB is a right triangle due to the Pythagorean theorem. Let H H be the height from P P of the right triangle A P B APB . Due to the first euclidean theorem, H B = 32 5 HB= \frac {32}{5} and for the second euclidean theorem, H P = 24 5 HP=\frac {24}{5} . Since A B C D ABCD is a square, C P 2 = ( B C H P ) 2 + H B 2 CP^2=(BC-HP)^2+HB^2 . Hence, C P = 2 17 CP=2\cdot \sqrt{17} , so a + b = 19 a+b=19

Chris Gustafson
May 20, 2014

Let A B P \angle ABP be called θ \theta , and P B C \angle PBC be called δ \delta .

Our goal is to find cos δ \cos \delta . Once we find this, we can use the law of cosines to solve for the missing side P C PC of Δ P B C \Delta PBC .

Given that Δ A B P \Delta ABP has sides of length 6, 8, and 10, we know that Δ A B P \Delta ABP is a right triangle. Using right triangle identities, we find that sin θ = o p p h y p = A P A B = 6 10 = 3 5 \sin \theta = \frac{opp}{hyp} = \frac{AP}{AB} = \frac{6}{10} = \frac{3}{5} .

Let us note that θ = 9 0 δ \theta = 90^\circ - \delta . Here we can use an important trig identity:
sin ( 9 0 δ ) = cos δ \sin (90^\circ - \delta) = \cos \delta

\therefore 3 5 = sin θ = sin ( 9 0 δ ) = cos δ \frac{3}{5} = \sin \theta = \sin (90^\circ - \delta) = \cos \delta

Now let's look at the triangle Δ P B C \Delta PBC . We know P B = 8 PB = 8 , B C = 10 BC = 10 , and cos δ = 3 5 \cos \delta = \frac{3}{5} .

We can use the Law of Cosines to solve for the missing side P C PC :

Law of Cosines: Z 2 = X 2 + Y 2 2 X Y cos z Z^2 = X^2 + Y^2 - 2*X*Y*\cos z , where z \angle z is the angle opposite side Z Z

First let P C PC be called y y . Then y 2 = 8 2 + 1 0 2 2 8 10 cos δ y^2 = 8^2 + 10^2 - 2*8*10*\cos \delta . We know cos δ = 3 5 \cos \delta = \frac {3}{5} , so y 2 = 164 160 3 5 = 164 96 = 68 y^2 = 164 - 160*\frac{3}{5} = 164-96 = 68

y = 68 = 2 17 \therefore y = \sqrt {68} = 2\sqrt {17} . Recall that y = P C y = PC , so P C = 2 17 PC = 2\sqrt {17} .

Now that we have P C PC written in the appropriate form a b a\sqrt{b} , we can see that a + b = 2 + 17 = 19 a + b = 2 + 17 = 19

First, we note that 6, 8 and 10 are the measures of a special rectangle triangle (I call special those with integers measures). Lets draw a segment perpendicular to AD from P, intersecting in point M. We obtain another rectangle triangle. Since \angle PAM = \angle PBA , and \angle APM = \angle PAB , they are similar triangles. What this means is that \frac {10}{8} = \frac {6}{AM} , so AM = \frac {24}{5}. By the same way, we can get PM = \frac {18}{5}.

Now lets draw another segment from P, perpendicular now to CD, intersecting at N. Note that triangle PNC is a rectangle triangle with hypotenuse a\sqrt {b}. As the square has sides of lenght 10, then hick PN = 10 - \frac {24}{5} = \frac {26}{5}. Equally, hick NC = 10 - \frac {18}{5} = \frac {32}{5}. Applying the Pythagorean Theorem, \sqrt{{\frac {26}{5}}^2 + {\frac {32}{5}}^2} = \sqrt{68}. 68 = 4 * 17, so a = 2 and b = 17. The value of a + b = 2 + 17 = 19.

Raymond Lin
May 20, 2014

Let us draw in a perpendicular from P P to A B AB , calling the point on A B AB E E . We now have two similar right triangles, A P B APB and P E B PEB . We can set up the equation A B P B = A P P E \frac{AB}{PB}=\frac{AP}{PE} . Plugging in values for A B AB , P B PB , and A P AP , we find that P E = 24 5 PE=\frac{24}{5} . Let us now draw in a perpendicular from P P to B C BC , calling the point on B C BC F F . By the Pythagorean theorem, we can set up the equation B F 2 + P F 2 = P B 2 BF^2+PF^2=PB^2 . Plugging in values for P F PF and B F BF , since B F = P E BF=PE , we find that P F 2 = 1024 25 PF^2=\frac{1024}{25} . Since we know that B C = B F + F C BC=BF+FC , we can plug in values for B C BC and B F BF , getting that F C = 26 5 FC=\frac{26}{5} . We now apply the Pythagorean theorem again, getting that F C 2 + P F 2 = P C 2 FC^2+PF^2=PC^2 . Plugging in values for F C FC and P F 2 PF^2 , we get that P C = 2 17 PC=2\sqrt{17} . Therefore, a + b = 2 + 17 = 19 a+b=2+17=19 .

As everyone should know, the triangle ABP is rectangle, 'cause its sides are a pythagorean triple (the right angle is between AP and BP). From the Euclidean theorem, we get that h_\overline{AB}= \frac {\overline{PA} \cdot \overline{PB}}{\overline{AB}} . Replacing, h_\overline{AB} = \frac {6 \cdot 8}{10} = 4.8 .

Let's call Q the intersection between A B \overline{AB} and h_\overline{AB} . In the BPQ triangle, we can use the pythagorean theorem again, we get:

P Q 2 + B Q 2 = B P 2 \overline{PQ}^2+\overline{BQ}^2=\overline{BP}^2

4. 8 2 + B Q 2 = 8 2 4.8^2+\overline{BQ}^2=8^2

23.04 + B Q 2 = 64 23.04+\overline{BQ}^2=64

B Q 2 = 40.96 \overline{BQ}^2=40.96

B Q = 6.4 \overline{BQ}=|6.4|

Now, if we draw a rectangle that has P and C as its opposite corners and sides along C D \overline{CD} and B C \overline{BC} , it's clear that the distance between P and C D \overline{CD} is 10 4.8 = 5.2 10-4.8=5.2 , and the distance between P and B C \overline{BC} is 6.4 6.4 . Connecting P and C we form the diagonal of said rectangle, and using the pythagorean theorem for the last time we have:

5. 2 2 + 6. 4 2 = C P 2 5.2^2+6.4^2=\overline{CP}^2

68 = C P 2 68=\overline{CP}^2

C P = 68 = 68 = 4 17 = 2 17 \overline{CP}=|\sqrt{68}|=\sqrt{68}=\sqrt{4\cdot17}=2 \sqrt{17}

It's clear that a=2 and b=17, thus the answer is 19.

Drop a perpendicular from P onto AB at L. Now using similarity of triangles or basic trigonometry PL/6=8/10 Therefore PL=4.8. Next we drop another perpendicular from P onto BC at M. Clearly MC=BC-BM=BC-PL=10-4.8=5.2 Again applying basic trigonometry in triangle PBL we get BL/8=8/10 Therefore BL=6.4=PM Therefore by Pythagoras theorem in triangle PCM we get PC=2

a=2 b=17 a+b=19

Rahul Vernwal
May 20, 2014

Draw a perpendicular from P on AB(at E) and CD(at F). Area of triangle ABP=1/2 AB EP=1/2 AP PB.Put the values of AP,PB,AB and you will get EP=4.8, Now EF=EP+PF=10. By putting the value of EP=4.8, we get PF=5.2. in triangle EBP by usinmg Pythagoras theorem find the value of EB: EP EP+EB EB=8 8. =>EB=6.4=FC(by putting the value of EP=4.8) Now use the same method on triangle PFC. you will get PC=root(68)=2 root(17) so, 2+17=19

Hoo Zhi Yee
May 20, 2014

Draw a line EF that passes through point P and touches sides AD and BC at E and F respectively. Let AE , ED , EP , PF be a , b , c , d , respectively. Thus, we have a ^2+ c ^2=36 and a ^2+ d ^2=64.

Subtracting the above equations we get

( d - c )( d + c )=28

Since d + c =10, d - c =14/5

Solving the above equation we get d =32/5 and c =18/5

Thus, a =6^2-(18/5)^2=24/5 and b =10-24/5=26/5

Therefore, PC ^2=(32/5)^2+(26/5)^2=1700/25 and thus,

PC =(10 \sqrt {17})/5=2 \sqrt {17}

Finally a + b =17+2=19

Dionys Nipomici
May 20, 2014

Drop perpendicular from P to AB and BC at Q and R. Let BQ=PR=x and PQ=BR=y. From Pithagora in PQA and PQB we have (10-x)^2+y^2=36 and x^2+y^2=64.From second y^2=64-x^2 puting in first we have 36=64-x^2+(10-x)^2=64-100+20x. 20x=72, x=72/20, and y= sqrt(64-(72/20)^2)=24/5. Now PC=sqrt(RC^2+x^2)=sqrt((10-y)^2+x^2)=sqrt(68)=2*sqrt(17). a+b=2+17=19

Harsa Mitra
May 20, 2014

Drop a perpendicular from P onto AB at L. Now using similarity of triangles or basic trigonometry PL/6=8/10

Therefore ,PL=4.8 Next we drop another perpendicular from P onto BC at M.

Clearly MC=BC-BM=BC-PL=10-4.8=5.2

Again applying basic trigonometry in triangle PBL , we get , BL/8=8/10

Therefore ,BL=6.4=PM

Therefore by Pythagoras theorem in triangle PCM we get PC=2*(17)^1/2

So now, a=2 b=17 therefore :- a+b=19

P is the interior point of square ABCD. Now, join (A,P), (B,P), (C,P), (D,P). Drop perpendiculars PM on AB and PN on BC.

In triangle PAB, PA=6, PB=8 and AB=10. (6, 8, 10) form a Pythagorean triplet. So, it is easy to conclude that angle APB = 90 degrees.

Consider the two similar triangles PAM and PBM. We get \frac {8}{6} = \frac {MB}{PM} = \frac {PM}{10-MB}

Solving we have PM = \frac {24}{5} and hence MB = \frac {32}{5}

In triangle PCN, applying Pythagoras' Theorem, PC^2 = PN^2 + NC^2 = MB^2 + (10 - PM)^2.

Putting the values of MB and PM, we finally get PC = 2 \sqrt{17}.

Hence the answer is 2+17 = 19.

Edward Widjaja
Feb 9, 2016

Let the angle in front of P A = A , P B = B , P C = C PA = A, PB = B, PC= C Because P A = 6 PA=6 and P B = 8 PB=8 and the hypotenuse in front of those two sides is 10 10 we know that the angle in front of A = 37 ° ∠A = 37° and B = 53 ° ∠B= 53° . And also C ∠C is complementary with A ∠A which means C = 90 ° 37 ° = 53 ° ∠C = 90°- 37° = 53° . By using cosinus rule :

P C 2 = P B 2 + B C 2 2. B C . P B . c o s C PC^2 = PB^2+BC^2 - 2.BC. PB. cos ∠C

P C 2 = 64 + 100 2.8.10. c o s 53 ° PC^2 = 64+100 - 2.8.10. cos 53°

P C 2 = 164 160. ( 3 5 PC^2 = 164 - 160 . \ (\frac{3}{5} )

P C = 2 17 PC = 2 \sqrt{17}

Because P C = a b PC = a\sqrt{b} , therefore a + b = 2 + 17 = 19 a+b = 2+17 = 19

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