Qi Huan's triangle

Geometry Level 4

Consider a point P P in triangle A B C \triangle ABC such that P B C = 3 0 , P B A = 8 , \angle PBC=30^\circ,\angle PBA=8^\circ, and P A B = P A C = 2 2 \angle PAB=\angle PAC=22^\circ . What is the measure (in degrees) of A P C \angle APC ?

This problem is shared by Qi Huan T .


The answer is 142.

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7 solutions

Brian Chen
Aug 11, 2013

Diagram for the lazy, which I spent too much time on


Extend A P AP to meet B C BC at D D ; construct E D E \neq D on the extension of B C BC so that A C = A E AC = AE .

Angle chase to get B D P = 3 0 = P B D \angle BDP = 30^\circ = \angle PBD , so P D = B D PD = BD , and by the angle bisector theorem B D D C = A B A C \frac{BD}{DC} = \frac{AB}{AC} , so P D D C = B D D C = A B A C = A B A E \frac{PD}{DC} = \frac{BD}{DC} = \frac{AB}{AC} = \frac{AB}{AE} . Also by angle chasing P D C = 6 0 \angle PDC = 60^\circ and B A E = B A C + C A E = 4 4 + ( 18 0 2 A C E ) = 22 4 2 ( 4 4 + 3 8 ) = 6 0 \angle BAE = \angle BAC + \angle CAE = 44^\circ + (180^\circ - 2\angle ACE) = 224^\circ - 2(44^\circ + 38^\circ) = 60^\circ .

Therefore we have an SAS similarity: P D C B A E \triangle PDC \sim \triangle BAE , and we can compute A P C = 18 0 D P C = 18 0 A B E = 14 2 \angle APC = 180^\circ - \angle DPC = 180^\circ - \angle ABE = \boxed{142^\circ} .


Some motivation: obviously the key things to notice for this problem are that 2 2 + 8 = 3 0 22^\circ + 8^\circ = 30^\circ , which motivates us to construct an external angle which also forms a nice isosceles triangle, and also suggests a 30-60-90 triangle or an equilateral one lurking somewhere might help.

The things we actually end up constructing don't seem to involve that, but if we additionally construct D D D' \neq D on the extension of B C BC such that A D = A D AD = AD' , it becomes clearer why B A E \angle BAE magically works out to be 6 0 60^\circ . Since P D C A D C \angle PDC \equiv \angle ADC is 6 0 60^\circ , A D D \triangle ADD' is equilateral, and B A D = C A D = E A D \angle BAD = \angle CAD = \angle EAD' ; subtracting both sides from B A D \angle BAD' gives us the 6 0 60^\circ equality.

Moderator note:

Thanks for sharing your motivation! It can be hard to guess which points we want to create.

How did you make that diagram? It's beautiful!

By the way, don't you mean B P D \angle BPD instead of B D P \angle BDP ?

Tim Vermeulen - 7 years, 10 months ago

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CaRMetal

although I'm sure you could do the same thing with the more famous GeoGebra , or if you have money, Geometer's Sketchpad, etc. Depends on whose interface and look you prefer.

Whoops, you're right, mis-transcribed an angle. I'm not surprised.

Brian Chen - 7 years, 10 months ago

Is there a standard procedure for solving these angle problems that are unsolvable by pure angle chasing? I noticed the things in your motivation too but couldn't quite make the elegant constructions.

Taylor Lau - 7 years, 10 months ago

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I don't think there's a general way to find an elegant synthetic solution (which I think usually exists in geometry problems from reliable sources). There are only heuristics like the motivation I offered. But it's not like I magically knew that constructing point E E would work; I tried two or three other auxiliary points before that. In fact I think that Eric X's solution below is probably more elegant; I considered the same point, but didn't examine it long enough to recognize its usefulness. So you see my search process for auxiliary constructions is also rather haphazard.

If you want a standard procedure, I can only recommend you learn to bash: Trigonometry, Cartesian coordinates, complex numbers, barycentric coordinates, etc. I myself don't know how to bash, though.

Brian Chen - 7 years, 10 months ago
Eric Xu
Aug 11, 2013

Let line A P AP intersect B C BC at D D and let E E be the point on A C AC such that P B A = P B E = 8 \angle{PBA}=\angle{PBE}=8 . Then E B D = 22 = E A D \angle{EBD}=22=\angle{EAD} , so A B D E ABDE is cyclic. Thus, C D E = C A B = 44 \angle{CDE}=\angle{CAB}=44 .

Furthermore, P A PA bisects B A E \angle{BAE} and P B PB bisects A B E \angle{ABE} . It follows that P P is the incenter of A B E \triangle{ABE} , so P E A = P E B = 60 \angle{PEA}=\angle{PEB}=60 . Thus, E P D = 82 \angle{EPD}=82 . However, E C D = 98 \angle{ECD}=98 , so C D P E CDPE is cyclic. As a result, C P E = C D E = 44 \angle{CPE}=\angle{CDE}=44 , so A P C = A P E + C P E = 98 + 44 = 142 \angle{APC}=\angle{APE}+\angle{CPE}=98+44=\boxed{142} .

Alpha Beta
Aug 12, 2013

Simplest solution: By angle sum property of triangle A P B = 15 0 \angle APB=150^{\circ} . Let the angle to be find be x x^{\circ} . Applying Sine Rule in A P B \triangle APB , A P s i n 8 = P B s i n 2 2 . \frac{AP}{sin8^{\circ}}=\frac{PB}{sin22^{\circ}}. Now applying in A P C \triangle APC , A P s i n ( 158 x ) = P C s i n 2 2 . \frac{AP}{sin(158-x)^{\circ}}=\frac{PC}{sin22^{\circ}}. We get P B P C = s i n ( 158 x ) s i n 8 . \frac{PB}{PC}=\frac{sin(158-x)^{\circ}}{sin8^{\circ}}. Now applying Sine rule in B P C \triangle BPC , P B P C = 2 s i n ( x 60 ) \frac{PB}{PC}=2sin(x-60)^{\circ} . Equating both the equations we get, 2 s i n ( x 60 ) = s i n ( 158 x ) s i n 8 2sin(x-60)^{\circ}=\frac{sin(158-x){\circ}}{sin8^{\circ}} , s i n ( 158 x ) = s i n ( 90 + 68 x ) = c o s ( 68 x ) sin(158-x)^{\circ}=sin(90+68-x)^{\circ}=cos(68-x)^{\circ} . Applying sum and product formula,it becomes cos ( x 68 ) c o s ( x 52 ) = c o s ( 68 x ) \cos(x-68)^{\circ}-cos(x-52)^{\circ}=cos(68-x)^{\circ} , So, x 5 2 = 9 0 , x = 14 2 x^{\circ}-52^{\circ}=90^{\circ}, x=142^{\circ} . Obviously no other value except 9 0 90^{\circ} will be valid.

Shivang Jindal
Aug 16, 2013

Since if we extend A P , B P , P C AP , BP , PC to meet at side of triangle's , then they will become cevians with intersection point P.

So We use trigonometric form of Ceva's theorem .

See the statement here

Let A C P = x \angle ACP = x .

Then using ceva's theorem we get the equation ,

sin ( 30 ) sin ( x ) = sin ( 8 ) sin ( 98 x ) \sin(30) \cdot \sin(x) = \sin(8) \cdot \sin(98-x) Solving gives x 16 x \sim 16 . Thus giving A P C = 142 \angle APC = 142

I forgot to write, that the equation sin ( 30 ) sin ( x ) = sin ( 8 ) sin ( 98 x ) \sin(30)*\sin(x) = \sin(8)*\sin(98-x) One has no need to solve the equation fully . Actually you guess that x = 16 x= 16* works and then show that its unique

Shivang Jindal - 7 years, 10 months ago

wow.. so simple :)

Matt McNabb - 7 years, 9 months ago

Nice solution

Qi Huan Tan - 7 years, 7 months ago
Tahsin Saffat
Aug 17, 2013

First, let D D be the intersection of A P AP and B C BC . Let B B' be the reflection of B B over A P AP . Note that because A P AP bisects B A C \angle BAC , B B' lies on A C AC . Also, B P D = 3 0 \angle BPD=30^{\circ} , so B P B = 6 0 \angle BPB'=60^{\circ} . Thus, because B P = B P BP=BP' , B P B \triangle BPB' is equilateral.

Now, because C C lies on the angle bisector B D BD of equilateral triangle B P B BPB' , we must have C P = C B CP=CB' . Hence, C P B = C B P = A B P = 8 \angle CPB'= \angle CB'P= \angle ABP=8^{\circ} . Thus, A P C = A P B C P B = 15 0 8 = 14 2 \angle APC= \angle APB' - \angle CPB'=150^{\circ}-8^{\circ}=142^{\circ} .

Karthik Tadinada
Aug 14, 2013

First extend AP to meet BC at X

Let length XB=x, CX=y

Then we know from considering the areas of triangles AXC and AXB that the ratio x:y is AB:AC

From the sine rule we know that A B A C = s i n ( 98 ) s i n 38 \frac{AB}{AC}=\frac{sin(98)}{sin38}

Then notice that angle APB=150, so angle XPB=30. This makes XPB an isosceles triangle and we know that XP=x

Use the sine rule in triangle CPX. Let angle P C X = θ PCX =\theta , then C P X = 120 θ CPX=120-\theta So we have x y = s i n ( θ ) s i n ( 120 θ ) = A B A C = s i n ( 98 ) s i n ( 38 ) \frac{x}{y}=\frac{sin(\theta)}{sin(120-\theta)}=\frac{AB}{AC}=\frac{sin(98)}{sin(38)}

Expanding the sines we get s i n ( θ ) 1 2 c o s ( θ ) + 3 2 s i n ( θ ) = c o s ( 8 ) 1 2 s i n ( 8 ) + 3 2 c o s ( 8 ) \frac{sin(\theta)}{\frac{1}{2}cos(\theta)+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}sin(\theta)} = \frac{cos(8)}{\frac{1}{2}sin(8)+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}cos(8)}

Noting that c o s ( 8 ) = s i n ( 82 ) , s i n ( 8 ) = c o s ( 82 ) cos(8)=sin(82), sin(8)=cos(82) we see that θ = 82 \theta=82

We then finally have A P C = 180 ( 120 θ ) = 60 + θ = 142 APC=180-(120-\theta)=60+\theta=142

Jon Haussmann
Aug 15, 2013

Note: The following solution is not mine.

Let E E be the intersection of A P AP and B F BF . In triangle A B P ABP , A P B = 18 0 A B P B A P = 18 0 8 2 2 = 15 0 \angle APB = 180^\circ - \angle ABP - \angle BAP = 180^\circ - 8^\circ - 22^\circ = 150^\circ , so B P E = 18 0 A P B = 18 0 15 0 = 3 0 \angle BPE = 180^\circ - \angle APB = 180^\circ - 150^\circ = 30^\circ .

Extend A C AC past C C to F F such that A F = A B AF = AB . Since P A B = P A F \angle PAB = \angle PAF and A B = A F AB = AF , triangles P A B PAB and P A F PAF are congruent. Then A P F = A P B = 15 0 \angle APF = \angle APB = 150^\circ , and F P E = 18 0 A P F = 18 0 15 0 = 3 0 \angle FPE = 180^\circ - \angle APF = 180^\circ - 150^\circ = 30^\circ . Hence, B P F = B P E + F P E = 3 0 + 3 0 = 6 0 \angle BPF = \angle BPE + \angle FPE = 30^\circ + 30^\circ = 60^\circ . Also, P B = P F PB = PF , so triangle B P F BPF is equilateral.

Then F B C = F B P P B C = 6 0 3 0 = 3 0 \angle FBC = \angle FBP - \angle PBC = 60^\circ - 30^\circ = 30^\circ . Since B P = B F BP = BF and P B C = F B C = 3 0 \angle PBC = \angle FBC = 30^\circ , triangles P B C PBC and F B C FBC are congruent. This implies C P = C F CP = CF , so triangle C P F CPF is isosceles.

Then C P F = C F P = A F P = A B P = 8 \angle CPF = \angle CFP = \angle AFP = \angle ABP = 8^\circ , so A P C = 18 0 C P F E P F = 18 0 8 3 0 = 14 2 \angle APC = 180^\circ - \angle CPF - \angle EPF = 180^\circ - 8^\circ - 30^\circ = \boxed{142^\circ} .

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