Quadratic fun

Algebra Level 4

Find the number of ordered pairs of real numbers ( a , b ) (a,b) such that whenever γ \gamma is a root of x 2 + a x + b = 0 x^2+ax+b=0 , γ 2 2 \gamma^{2}-2 is also a root of the same equation.


The answer is 6.

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2 solutions

Snehdeep Arora
Sep 19, 2015

First let us assume the two roots of the equation to be α \alpha and β \beta .Now we will consider the different cases:

Case 1 : α = β \alpha=\beta or α \alpha is a double root.Since α 2 2 \alpha^2-2 is also a root we get α = α 2 2 \alpha=\alpha^2-2 or α = 1 \alpha=-1 or α = 2 \alpha=2 .

Using Vieta's formulas we get a = 2 α a=-2\alpha and b = α 2 b=\alpha^2 which gives ( a , b ) = ( 2 , 1 ) o r ( 4 , 4 ) (a,b)=(2,1) or (-4,4)

Case 2 : α = α 2 2 \alpha=\alpha^2-2 and β = β 2 2 \beta=\beta^2-2

which gives ( α , β ) = ( 1 , 2 ) o r ( 2 , 1 ) (\alpha,\beta)=(-1,2) or (2,-1) as discussed in case 1.(Note that (-1,-1) and (2,2) aren't taken because they are already in case 1.)

\Rightarrow ( a , b ) = ( ( α + β ) , α β ) = ( 1 , 2 ) (a,b)=(-(\alpha+\beta),\alpha\beta)=(-1,-2)

Case 3 : α = β 2 2 \alpha=\beta^2-2 and β = α 2 2 \beta=\alpha^2-2

\Rightarrow α β = β 2 α 2 = ( β α ) ( β + α ) \alpha-\beta=\beta^2-\alpha^2=(\beta-\alpha)(\beta+\alpha)

as α β \alpha \neq \beta we get α + β = 1 \alpha+\beta=-1

also α + β = β 2 + α 2 4 = ( β + α ) 2 2 α β 4 \alpha+\beta=\beta^2+\alpha^2-4=(\beta+\alpha)^2-2\alpha\beta-4

which gives α β = 1 \alpha\beta=-1 as α + β = 1 \alpha+\beta=-1

Hence ( a , b ) = ( ( α + β ) , α β ) = ( 1 , 1 ) (a,b)=(-(\alpha+\beta),\alpha\beta)=(1,-1)

Case 4 : α 2 2 = β 2 2 = α ( o r β ) \alpha^2-2=\beta^2-2=\alpha(or \beta) and α β \alpha \neq \beta

\Rightarrow α 2 = β 2 \alpha^2=\beta^2

\Rightarrow α = β \alpha=-\beta (as α β \alpha \neq \beta )

Thus, ( α , β ) = ( 2 , 2 ) o r ( 1 , 1 ) (\alpha,\beta)=(2,-2) or (-1,1) (using α 2 2 = α \alpha^2-2=\alpha )

\Rightarrow ( a , b ) = ( 0 , 4 ) (a,b)=(0,-4) or ( 0 , 1 ) (0,-1)

Hence, Total number of ordered pairs = 6 \boxed{6} which are ( a , b ) = ( 4 , 4 ) , ( 2 , 1 ) , ( 1 , 2 ) , ( 1 , 1 ) , ( 0 , 1 ) , ( 0 , 4 ) (a,b)=(-4,4),(2,1),(-1,-2),(1,-1),(0,-1),(0,-4)

Parth Bhardwaj
Feb 25, 2015

For y and y^2-2 to be a root of the equation, (y^2-2)+y=a (sum of roots of an equation) and (y^2-2)*y=b (product of roots of an equation)

For both results we can have 2 and 3 roots(possible values) respectively Thus the no of sets can be 2*3= 6

Your solution doesn't make sense. If y = y 2 2 y = y^2 -2 , then we do not need the sum of these two numbers to be the sum of roots of the equation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Could you please provide a solution to this question, Sir?

Yogesh Verma - 5 years, 8 months ago

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I have asked @Snehdeep Arora to add his solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 8 months ago

But it makes sense to me , you cant just call someones solution as nonsense ! You hurt my feelings !

Parth Bhardwaj - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Calvin Lin

Parth Bhardwaj - 5 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I didn't understand your solution, or what you were trying to say.

Please see Snehdeep's solution above for how to explain this problem clearly.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 8 months ago

You could have also said the same thing in a gentle way !! : (

Parth Bhardwaj - 5 years, 8 months ago

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