Quadrilateral Circular Reasoning (Take 2)

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If the largest side of a tangential and cyclic quadrilateral is 8 8 times longer than its smallest side, and its second-largest side is 2 2 times longer than its second-smallest side, and its area is 300 300 , then find its perimeter.


The answer is 90.

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2 solutions

Chris Lewis
Apr 22, 2021

Say the quadrilateral has sides (in order) a , b , c , d a,b,c,d . From the question, either b = 8 a b=8a and d = 2 c d=2c , or c = 8 a c=8a and d = 2 b d=2b (other cases are just rotations and reflections of these).

In tangential quadrilaterals, the two pairs of opposite sides have the same sum. So a + c = b + d = s a+c=b+d=s , the semiperimeter.

If b = 8 a b=8a and d = 2 c d=2c , this is a + c = 8 a + 2 c a+c=8a+2c

which has no solutions with all sides positive.

So c = 8 a c=8a and d = 2 b d=2b , and a + 8 a = b + 2 b a+8a=b+2b

ie b = 3 a b=3a . Now we have all the sides in terms of a a : b = 3 a , c = 8 a , d = 6 a b=3a,\;c=8a,\;d=6a

In cyclic quadrilaterals, the area is given by Bramhagupta's formula: K = ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) ( s d ) K=\sqrt{(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)(s-d)}

Combining this with a + c = b + d = s a+c=b+d=s gives K = a b c d K=\sqrt{abcd} in the case when the quadrilateral is tangential as well. Substituting for the sides as above, 300 = a 3 a 8 a 6 a = 12 a 2 300=\sqrt{a \cdot 3a \cdot 8a \cdot 6a}=12a^2

so a = 5 a=5 , b = 15 b=15 , c = 40 c=40 , d = 30 d=30 and the perimeter is 90 \boxed{90} .

Nice solution! I'm also glad this problem worked.

David Vreken - 1 month, 3 weeks ago

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Yeah, it's nice how the properties of cyclic and tangential quadrilaterals complement each other.

Chris Lewis - 1 month, 3 weeks ago

And here it is, incircle, circumcircle and all:

Chris Lewis - 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Hosam Hajjir
Apr 22, 2021

Let the sides of the quadrilateral be a , b , c , d a, b, c, d , where it can assumed without loss of generality that a > b > c > d > 0 a \gt b \gt c \gt d \gt 0 . We know from the problem statement that

a = 8 d , b = 2 c , a + d = b + c a = 8 d , b = 2 c , a + d = b + c

This system of equations has the following solution: ( a , b , c , d ) = t ( 8 , 6 , 3 , 1 ) (a, b,c,d ) = t (8, 6, 3, 1 ) , where t t is an arbitrary positive real.

The area of the cyclic quadrilateral is given by Brahmagupta's formula

A = ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) ( s d ) A = \sqrt{ (s - a)(s -b )(s - c)(s-d) }

where s s is the semi-perimeter, s = 1 2 ( a + b + c + d ) s = \frac{1}{2} (a + b + c + d ) . Hence, s = 9 t s = 9 t , and

A = 300 = t 2 ( 9 8 ) ( 9 6 ) ( 9 3 ) ( 9 1 ) = t 2 ( 1 ) ( 3 ) ( 6 ) ( 8 ) = 12 t 2 A = 300 = t^2 \sqrt{ (9 - 8)(9 - 6)(9- 3)(9 - 1) } = t^2 \sqrt{ (1)(3)(6)(8) } = 12 t^2

Hence, t = 300 12 = 5 t = \sqrt{ \dfrac{300}{12} } = 5

Therefore, s = 9 t = 45 s = 9 t = 45 and P = 2 s = 90 P = 2 s =\boxed{ 90}

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