Rational Root Theorem won't save you this time

Algebra Level 5

Let r 1 , r 2 r_1,r_2 be the two largest real roots of the polynomial P ( x ) = 3 x 3 17 x + 5 6 P(x)=3x^3-17x+5\sqrt{6}

If r 1 + r 2 r_1+ r_2 can be expressed as a + b c \dfrac{\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}}{c} for positive integers a , b , c a,b,c , then what is the smallest possible value of a + b + c a+b+c ?


The answer is 198.

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1 solution

Daniel Liu
May 14, 2014

Due to me wanting to get the checkpoint of 1000 upvotes on solutions, I will post one now.


We want to use Rational Root Theorem, but that 6 \sqrt{6} prevents us from doing so! How can we get rid of it?

If we can somehow divide the entire equation by 6 \sqrt{6} without the x 3 x^3 and x x coefficients obtaining a 6 \sqrt{6} , then we could use RRT. But how can we do that?

Here is the trick: notice that x 3 x^3 and x x are both odd-degree terms. if we plugged in P ( x 6 ) P(x'\sqrt{6}) , then our polynomial becomes 3 ( x 6 ) 3 17 ( x 6 ) + 5 6 = 6 ( 18 x 3 17 x + 5 ) = 0 3(x'\sqrt{6})^3-17(x'\sqrt{6})+5\sqrt{6}=\sqrt{6}(18x'^3-17x'+5)=0

Now we can divide by 6 \sqrt{6} on both sides! We obtain the polynomial P ( x 6 ) = 18 x 3 17 x + 5 P(x'\sqrt{6})=18x'^3-17x'+5

Now we use Rational Root Theorem and a bit of luck to find that x = 1 3 x'=\dfrac{1}{3} is a root of this new polynomial. Using polynomial division to divide 18 x 3 17 x + 5 18x'^3-17x'+5 by 3 x 1 3x'-1 , we obtain the quadratic 6 x 2 + 2 x 5 6x'^2+2x'-5

The roots of this quadratic can be found by the Quadratic Formula; skipping over the details, we obtain that x = 1 ± 31 6 x'=\dfrac{-1\pm \sqrt{31}}{6}

Now that we have all three roots of the modified quadratic, we need to find the roots of our original quadratic. Remember that we substituted x = x 6 x=x'\sqrt{6} . Thus, to get our original roots, we must multiply the roots we have by 6 \sqrt{6} . Thus, our roots are: x = 6 3 x=\dfrac{\sqrt{6}}{3} x = 6 ± 186 6 x=\dfrac{-\sqrt{6}\pm \sqrt{186}}{6}

The smallest root in these three is obviously 6 186 6 \dfrac{-\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{186}}{6} since it's the only negative root. Thus, we just need to find the value of r 1 + r 2 = 6 3 + 6 + 186 6 = 6 + 186 6 r_1+r_2=\dfrac{\sqrt{6}}{3}+\dfrac{-\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{186}}{6}=\dfrac{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{186}}{6}

so our final answer is 186 + 6 + 6 = 198 186+6+6=\boxed{198} .

Excellent solution

Revanth Gumpu - 6 years, 11 months ago

Upvoted! :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years ago

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Was it you who disputed? Did you resolve your dispute?

Daniel Liu - 7 years ago

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Yeah. I read c \sqrt{c} instead of just c c so I kept getting 31 + 1 6 \dfrac{\sqrt{31}+\sqrt{1}}{\sqrt{6}} and so I kept putting in 38. :O

Finn Hulse - 7 years ago

Why does the question ask for the smallest value of a+b+c whereas that is the one and only possible value ?

Nishant Sharma - 7 years ago

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because we can multiply both Nr and Dr by a number, in which case a+b+c can have different value...!!!

Ashwin M - 6 years, 10 months ago

hey Daniel when you plug-in x 6 x'\sqrt{6} the polynomial becomes 0 0 . how ?

g j - 6 years, 11 months ago

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We are trying to find the roots of P ( x ) P(x) . To do that, we let P ( x ) = 0 P(x)=0 .

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 11 months ago

Nice solution

Daniel Lim - 6 years, 11 months ago

@Daniel Liu Nice solution.

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 11 months ago

@Daniel Liu Legendary. I am speechless.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 8 months ago

Nice solution! when you are computing r 1 + r 2 r_{1} + r_{2} you coud notice since the x 2 x^{2} term in P(x) doesn't exist the sum of the 3 solutions is 0, therefore r 1 + r 2 = r 3 r_{1} + r_{2} = -r_{3} .

Jordi Bosch - 6 years, 8 months ago

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