RC Trouble

We have a circuit as shown in the figure with resistance R R ,capacitance C C , a Battery of EMF V V volt. Initially the key was connected to point 2 2 .

At t = 0 t=0 the key was connected to point 1 1 . Now after one time constant τ \tau the key is connected to point 2 2 . After another time constant the key is connected back to point 1 1 and we say that a cycle is completed.

If the charge on the capacitor as the number of cycles completed tend to infinity is given by = x C V =xCV than find 100 x \left\lfloor 100x \right\rfloor

Details and assumptions

1)The conductor is connected to only point at a time.

2) τ = R C \tau=RC

3)There is no time lag between consecutive cycles that is as soon as one cycle is completed the other cycle is started


The answer is 26.

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3 solutions

Prakhar Gupta
Nov 20, 2014

Let after n cycles the charge on the capacitor is q n q_{n} .

Now when the key connected to point 1 1 , the capacitor will gain some charge and let that charge be q k q_{k} .

To calculate that we can apply Kirchoff's law. V I R q C = 0 V-IR-\dfrac{q}{C}=0 Put I = d q d t I=\dfrac{dq}{dt} and rearrange the terms we get. d t R C = d q q C V -\dfrac{dt}{RC}=\dfrac{dq}{q-CV} Integrating and applying limits [ t R C ] 0 R C = [ l n ( q C V ) ] q n q k \Big[-\dfrac{t}{RC}\Big]^{RC}_{0}=\Big[ln(q-CV)\Big]_{q_{n}}^{q_{k}} Solving we get q k = C V ( 1 1 e ) + q n e q_{k}=CV\Big(1-\dfrac{1}{e}\big) +\dfrac{q_{n}}{e} Now the key will be connected to the point 2.

Again we will apply Kirchoff's law to find the charge on capacitor on after time R C RC .

q C = I R \dfrac{q}{C}=IR Put I = d q d t I=-\dfrac{dq}{dt} , and rearrange we will get d t R C = d q q -\dfrac{dt}{RC}=\dfrac{dq}{q} Integrate and apply limits. Note that the final charge will be q n + 1 q_{n+1} . [ t R C ] 0 R C = [ l n ( q ) ] q k q n + 1 \Big[-\dfrac{t}{RC}\Big]_{0}^{RC}=\Big[ln(q)\Big]_{q_{k}}^{q_{n+1}} Solving it we get q n + 1 = q k e q_{n+1} = \dfrac{q_{k}}{e} Put the previously calculated q k q_{k} in the above equation we get e q n + 1 = C V ( 1 1 e ) + q n e eq_{n+1} = CV\Big(1-\dfrac{1}{e}\Big) +\dfrac{q_{n}}{e} At infinite the charge on the capacitor will be almost same after every turn. So we can conclude that lim n q n + 1 = lim n q n = l ( s a y ) . \lim_{n\to\infty} q_{n+1} = \lim_{n\to\infty} q_{n}=l(say). So in our previous equation we can write that e 2 l = C V ( e 1 ) + l e^{2}l=CV(e-1) +l Hence we get l = C V e + 1 l=\dfrac{CV}{e+1} So from the given equation x = 1 1 + e x=\dfrac{1}{1+e} x = 0.2689 \boxed{x=0.2689}

that was awesome!

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 6 months ago

your solution is very elegant ! I solved it by forming sequence and then doing calculation which is too bad in front of your ! I upvoted !!

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 6 months ago

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same here, solved using sequence, it might be simpler but this ones elegant

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 6 months ago

Thanks a lot for appreciation!!

Prakhar Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

Bhai kya sol diya hi

saurabh mishra - 6 years, 6 months ago

Brilliant Solution.Its Beautiful!!

Sandeep Sharma - 5 years, 2 months ago

In first complete cycle, final charge will be: V C ( e 1 ) ( e 2 + 1 ) / e 3 {VC{(e-1)}{(e^{2}+1)}}/e^{3}

In second cycle, final charge will be : V C ( e 1 ) ( e 6 + e 4 + e 2 + 1 ) / e 7 {VC{(e-1)}{(e^{6}+e^{4}+e^{2}+1)}}/e^{7}

Hence, series will be form... And answer will be 0.2627 V C 0.2627VC

Yeah..The question was easy...

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 10 months ago

We can directly write the charge equation as Q ( t ) = Q f + ( Q i Q f ) e t τ Q\left( t \right) ={ Q }_{ f }+({ Q }_{ i }-{ Q }_{ f }){ e }^{ -\frac { t }{ \tau } }

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