Real Roots of a Triple Function

Algebra Level 4

Let f ( x ) = x 2 1 f(x) = x^2 - 1 . How many distinct real roots are there to f ( f ( f ( x ) ) ) = 0 f ( f( f(x))) = 0 ?


The answer is 4.

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Calvin Lin Staff
May 13, 2014

f ( f ( f ( x ) ) ) = ( ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 ) 2 1 = [ ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 + 1 ] [ ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 1 ] = ( x 1 ) 2 ( x + 1 ) 2 ( x 2 1 2 ) ( x 2 1 + 2 ) \begin{array}{c}\ f(f (f (x) )) & = \left( (x^2-1)^2-1 \right) ^2-1 & \\ &= \left[(x^2-1)^2-1 + 1\right] \left[ (x^2-1)^2-1-1\right] & \\ & = \left(x-1\right)^2\left(x+1\right)^2 \left(x^2 -1-\sqrt{2}\right)\left(x^2-1+\sqrt{2}\right) & \end{array}

The 2 linear terms contribute the real roots 1 1 and 1 -1 , the first quadratic contributes the real roots 1 + 2 -\sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}} and 1 + 2 \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}} , and the last quadratic has 2 imaginary roots. Hence there are 4 4 distinct real roots in all.

Brilliant Fan
May 20, 2014

We want to solve [ ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 ] 2 = 1 [(x^2-1)^2-1]^2 = 1 .

Case (A): ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 = 1 (x^2-1)^2-1 = 1 , so ( x 2 1 ) 2 = 2 (x^2-1)^2=2 . Subcases

Case (A1): x 2 1 = 2 x^2-1 = \sqrt{2} . x 2 = 1 + 2 x^2 = 1 + \sqrt{2} . Since RHS is positive, we have 2 real solutions.

Case (A2): x 2 1 = 2 x^2-1 = -\sqrt{2} . x 2 = 1 2 x^2 = 1 - \sqrt{2} . Since RHS is negative, we have no real solutions.

Case (B): ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 = 1 (x^2-1)^2-1=-1 . x 2 1 = 0 x^2-1 = 0 , x 2 = 1 x^2 = 1 . So two solutions x = + 1 x=+1 and x = 1 x=-1

Students had slight difficulty factorizing the degree 8 polynomial, and several arrived at the wrong roots in their solution. All solutions broke it down into several cases, to deal with the repeated squares.

See below for how to factorize this using just a 2 b 2 = ( a b ) ( a + b ) a^2-b^2 = (a-b)(a+b) .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Mahesh Aradhya
May 20, 2014

f(x)=xsquare -1 f(f(x))=(xquare-1)square-1=a f(f(f(x))=a square -1 given a suuare-1 =0 implies a square=1 implies a = + or -1 calculating for a=1 we get 2 roots which are x=+/- square root of (square root 2 + 1) and solving for a= -1 we get 2 more roots which are +/- 1.

Anh Vu
May 20, 2014

f(x)=x^2-1 then f(f(x)=(x-1)^2-1 then f(f(fx)))=((x^2-1)^2-1)^2-1 we solve f(f(f(x)))=0 that is ((x^2-1)^2-1)^2-1=0 \Rightarrow ((x^2-1)^2-1)^2=1 \Rightarrow (x^2-1)^2-1=1 or (x^2-1)^2-1= -1 when (x^2-1)^2-1=1 \Rightarrow (x^2-1)^2 =2 \Rightarrow x^2-1 = \sqrt{2} or (x^2-1)^2 =-\sqrt{2} (invalid) we have x^2-1 = \sqrt{2} then x^2 = 1+\sqrt{2} \Rightarrow x= \pm \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}} then we have two solutions when (x^2-1)^2-1= -1 \Rightarrow (x^2-1)^2 = 0 \Rightarrow x^2-1=0 \Rightarrow x^2=1 then x= \pm 1 we have two solutions so we have 4 distinct real roots.

f ( f ( f ( x ) ) ) f(f(f(x))) = f ( f ( x 2 1 ) ) =f(f(x^2-1)) = f ( ( x 2 1 ) 2 1 ) =f((x^2-1)^2-1) = f ( x 4 2 x 2 ) =f(x^4-2x^2) = ( x 4 2 x 2 ) 2 1 =(x^4-2x^2)^2-1 = ( ( x 4 2 x 2 ) + 1 ) ( ( x 4 2 x 2 ) 1 ) =((x^4-2x^2)+1)((x^4-2x^2)-1) = ( x 2 1 ) 2 ( x 4 2 x 2 1 ) =(x^2-1)^2(x^4-2x^2-1) = ( x + 1 ) 2 ( x 1 ) 2 ( x 4 2 x 2 1 ) =(x+1)^2(x-1)^2(x^4-2x^2-1) Since f ( f ( f ( x ) ) ) = 0 f(f(f(x)))=0 , then x + 1 = 0 x+1=0 , x + 1 = 0 x+1=0 , and x 4 2 x 2 1 = 0 x^4-2x^2-1=0 . Solving for x x , x = 1 , + 1 , 1 + 2 , 1 + 2 , 1 2 , 1 2 x=-1, +1, \sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}}, -\sqrt{1+\sqrt{2}}, \sqrt{1-\sqrt{2}}, -\sqrt{1-\sqrt{2}} However, the last two values of x are imaginary. Hence, there are only four distinct real roots.

Karthik Tadinada
May 20, 2014

f(f(f(x)))=0 implies f(f(x))=1 or -1 Consider each case in turn f(f(x))=1 implies f(x)= ± \pm ( 2 ) \sqrt(2)

f(x)= ( 2 ) -\sqrt(2) has no solutions f(x)= ( 2 ) \sqrt(2) has 2 solutions

Similarly f(f(x))=-1 has only 1 solution i.e. f(x)=0 This has 2 solutions for x, making a total of 4

Anurag Anshu
May 20, 2014

Lets write f(f(x))=g(x). Then f(g(x))=0 is same as g 2 ( x ) 1 = 0 g^2(x)-1 = 0 . This gives g(x)=1 or g(x)=-1 . Now, for first case, f ( f ( x ) ) = f 2 ( x ) 1 = 1 f(f(x)) = f^2(x)-1=1 . For second, f 2 ( x ) 1 = 1 f^2(x)-1=-1 . For first case f ( x ) = + 2 f(x)=+\sqrt{2} or f ( x ) = 2 f(x)=-\sqrt{2} . Only one of these here is possible, f ( x ) = + 2 f(x)=+\sqrt{2} , since 1 2 1 - \sqrt{2} is less than 0. For second case, f(x)=0. They both give 2 solutions each.

Robert Kck
May 20, 2014

fff(x)=ff(x^2 -1)

0=f((x^2 -1)^2 -1)

0=f(x^4 -2x^2 +1-1)

0=(x^4 -2x^2)^2 -1

0=x^8 - 4x^6 + 4x^4 -1

1=x^4 (x^4 - 4x^2 +4)

x=1 or

x^4 - 4x^2 + 4 = 1

x^4 - 4x^2 + 3 = 0

( x^2 -1 ) ( x^2 -3 ) = 0

x^2 = 1 or x^2 = 3

x = 1, -1 or x = \sqrt{3} , -\sqrt{3}

so, there are totally 4 real roots.

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