Relating Perimeter and Area

A rectangle has integer perimeter P P and integer area A A . If P + 4 P 4 = A 1 \dfrac{P+4}{P-4}=A-1 then what is the sum of all possible perimeters?


The answer is 20.

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4 solutions

Daniel Liu
May 16, 2014

First, clear denominators to get P + 4 = A P P 4 A + 4 P+4=AP-P-4A+4

Rearranging gives A P 2 P 4 A = 0 AP-2P-4A=0 , and using Simon's Favorite Factoring trick we obtain ( A 2 ) ( P 4 ) = 8 (A-2)(P-4)=8 . Since the rectangle has integer perimeter and area, then A 2 A-2 and P 4 P-4 are integers, so we look at the positive factors of 8 8 :

8 = 1 × 8 , 2 × 4 , 4 × 2 , 8 × 1 8=1\times 8, 2\times 4, 4\times 2, 8\times 1

Thus, ( A 2 , P 4 ) = ( 1 , 8 ) , ( 2 , 4 ) , ( 4 , 2 ) , ( 8 , 1 ) (A-2,P-4)=(1,8), (2,4), (4,2), (8,1) so ( A , P ) = ( 3 , 12 ) , ( 4 , 8 ) , ( 6 , 6 ) , ( 10 , 5 ) (A,P)=(3, 12), (4, 8),(6, 6),(10,5) .

We may be tempted to say the answer is 12 + 8 + 6 + 5 = 31 12+8+6+5=31 , but we must first confirm that all of these rectangles exist.

So let's let x , y x,y be the side lengths of the rectangle. We have that x y = A xy=A , and 2 x + 2 y = P 2x+2y=P .

We substitute ( A , P ) = ( 3 , 12 ) , ( 4 , 8 ) , ( 6 , 6 ) , ( 10 , 5 ) (A,P)=(3, 12), (4, 8),(6, 6),(10,5) in and solve the 4 different system of equations to find that ( A , P ) = ( 3 , 12 ) , ( 4 , 8 ) (A,P)=(3, 12), (4, 8) yield real values for the side lengths, and ( A , P ) = ( 6 , 6 ) , ( 10 , 5 ) (A,P)=(6, 6),(10,5) don't.

So the answer is just 12 + 8 = 20 12+8=\boxed{20} .

Here's just a faster version of what you did:

Since x y = A , x + y = P 2 xy=A, x+y=\frac {P}{2} , by discriminent of a quadratic(x,y must be real): ( P 2 ) 2 4 A P 2 16 2 P P 4 P 8 (\frac {P}{2})^2\ge 4A\Rightarrow P^2\ge 16\frac {2P}{P-4}\Rightarrow P\ge 8 .

Since P + 4 P 4 \frac {P+4}{P-4} is an integer, then so is P + 4 P 4 1 = 8 P 4 P = 8 , 12 \frac {P+4}{P-4}-1=\frac {8}{P-4}\Rightarrow P=8,12

Xuming Liang - 7 years ago

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Nice. Didn't see that one coming.

Daniel Liu - 7 years ago

Arg I was going to do that but I wasn't sure it would pick up all solutions.

Finn Hulse - 7 years ago

a c t u a l l y w e c a n e v e n u s e A . P . G . P . s o , ( x + y ) 2 x y s o , ( x + y ) 2 4 x y [ 2 ( x + y ) ] 2 16 x y P 2 16 A a n d t h e n o n l y , P = 12 a n d 8 s a t i s f y t h e c o n d i t i o n . actually\quad we\quad can\quad even\quad use\quad A.P.\quad \ge \quad G.P.\\ so,\\ \frac { \left( x+y \right) }{ 2 } \quad \ge \quad \sqrt { xy } \\ so,\quad { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }\quad \ge \quad 4xy\\ { \left[ 2\left( x+y \right) \right] }^{ 2 }\quad \ge \quad 16xy\\ { P }^{ 2 }\quad \ge \quad 16A\\ and\quad then\quad only,\quad P\quad =\quad 12\quad and\quad 8\quad satisfy\quad the\quad condition.

Pradeep Ch - 7 years ago

Oops. I tried 31

Penti Rohit - 7 years ago
Antony Diaz
May 18, 2014

First,

P + 4 P 4 = A 1 P + 4 = A P P 4 A + 4 2 P A P + 4 A = 0 ( P 4 ) ( A + 2 ) = 0 8 ( P 4 ) ( A 2 ) = 8 \frac { P+4 }{ P-4 } =A-1\\ \hookrightarrow P+4=AP-P-4A+4\\ \quad \quad 2P-AP+4A=0\\ \quad \quad (P-4)(-A+2)=0-8\\ \quad \quad (P-4)(A-2)=8 .

Now, we know that 8 = 1 x 8 = 2 x 4 = 4 x 2 = 8 x 1 8=1x8=2x4=4x2=8x1 . Them, the solutions for ( P , A ) (P,A) are ( 5 , 10 ) ( 6 , 6 ) ( 8 , 4 ) ( 12 , 3 ) (5,10)\\ (6,6)\\ (8,4)\\ (12,3)

But, ( 3 , 12 ) a n d ( 4 , 8 ) (3,12) and (4,8) yield real values for the side lengths.

So the answer is 12 + 8 = 20 12+8=20 .

Ayan Jain
Feb 27, 2015

Sorry for not formatting.

(P +4)(P - 4) = Integer.

Let P - 4 = x.

(x+8)/x should be integer. So x = 1,2,4,8. That means Perimeter = 5,6,8,12.

Now checking these values, by solving for Area for each given perimeter.

For P =5, area = 10.

L + B = 5/2; LB = 10.

(L+B)^2 = 25/4 = L^2 + B^2 + 20. This gives the sum of 2 squares as negative, so is not possible. Same with P = 6.

However, P = 8 and P = 12 satisfy as there will be possible values of L and B for their cases.

Lu Chee Ket
Aug 5, 2014

(P - 4)(A - 2) = 8

(P, A) of (5, 10), (6, 6), (8, 4) and (12, 3) are initial possibilities.

But P = 2 (a + b) and A = a b where

x^2 - 2.5 x + 10 = 0 => Real x not valid;

x^2 - 3 x + 6 = 0 => Real x not valid;

x^2 - 4 x + 4 = 0 => (x - 2)^2 = 0 => a = 2 and b = 2;

x^2 - 6 x + 3 = 0 => (x - 3)^2 = 6 => a = 3 + sqrt(6) and b = 3 - sqrt(6).

Reduced to only (8, 4) and (12, 3) as only possible answers where a square is also inclusive as a rectangle. Therefore, 8 + 12 = 20.

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