Resistors and means

This resistive network forms an infinite binary tree--every branch splits into two new branches, where the new branch that goes to the left has a resistance of R x R_x , and the one that goes to the right has a resistance of R y R_y .

Suppose that after going down n n levels, all of the branches are connected to a single node, B B . As n n approaches infinity, what will be the equivalent resistance between nodes A A and B ? B?

R x + R y 2 \dfrac{R_x+R_y}{2} (Arithmetic Mean) R x 2 + R y 2 2 \sqrt{\dfrac{R_x^2+R_y^2}{2}} (Quadratic Mean) 2 1 R x + 1 R y \dfrac{2}{ \dfrac{1}{R_x} + \dfrac{1}{R_y} } (Harmonic Mean) R x R y \sqrt{R_xR_y} (Geometric Mean)

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Relevant wiki: Simple Circuits

Take two copies of this network - left and right copy. Connect R x R_x to the node A of the left copy, and R y R_y to the node A of the right copy. Now, connect these two copies in parallel. You'll get exactly the same circuit you started with! This means that the total resistance of this new network is equal to the total resistance of our starting network: Where R t o t R_{tot} is the total resistance of the starting network. So: 1 R x + R t o t + 1 R y + R t o t = 1 R t o t R x + R y + 2 R t o t ( R x + R t o t ) ( R y + R t o t ) = 1 R t o t ( R x + R t o t ) ( R y + R t o t ) = ( R x + R y + 2 R t o t ) R t o t R t o t 2 + R t o t ( R x + R y ) + R x R y = 2 R t o t 2 + R t o t ( R x + R y ) R t o t 2 = R x R y R t o t = R x R y \begin{aligned} \dfrac{1}{R_x + R_{tot}}\ + \dfrac{1}{R_y + R_{tot}}\ &= \dfrac{1}{R_{tot}}\ \\ \dfrac{R_x + R_y + 2R_{tot}}{(R_x + R_{tot})(R_y + R_{tot})}\ &= \dfrac{1}{R_{tot}}\ \\ (R_x + R_{tot})(R_y + R_{tot}) &= (R_x + R_y + 2R_{tot})R_{tot} \\ R_{tot}^2 + R_{tot}(R_x + R_y) + R_xR_y &= 2R_{tot}^2 + R_{tot}(R_x + R_y) \\ R_{tot}^2 &= R_xR_y \\ R_{tot} &= \sqrt{R_xR_y} \end{aligned}

Bonus problem: using only resistances of R x R_x and R y R_y , create resistive networks so that their total resistances are equal to each of the wrong answers...

@Novak Radivojević just a small suggestion : you should add the bonus problem thing on the question itself.

Ayon Ghosh - 3 years, 10 months ago

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I was going to do that initially, but i was afraid that doing so might somewhat reveal the correct answer, or help solvers eliminate some of the wrong answers... Now that I think of it, maybe it's not a big deal after all. I can't edit the problem now, but thank you for your suggestion! :)

Novak Radivojević - 3 years, 10 months ago

(Rx + Ry)/2 can be formed with Ry in parallel with itself and then that is in series with Rx being in parallel with itself.

Andrew Allen - 3 years, 10 months ago

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That's right, but what about the quadratic mean?

Novak Radivojević - 3 years, 10 months ago

2/((1/Rx)+(1/Ry)) can be formed by Rx and Ry in parallel twice in a row (the same thing in series again)

Andrew Allen - 3 years, 10 months ago

@Novak Radivojević yes no problem.

Ayon Ghosh - 3 years, 10 months ago

More simple: taking Rx = 0, nor "a" nor "b" solutions are valid. Assuming now Rx infinite, "c" solution will be 2*Ry, also not valid. Only "d" solution is valid for both extreme situations....

José Ramón de Diego Luis - 3 years, 10 months ago

Actually as per the choices it can easily be seen that it is geometric mean because if rx or ry is zero the net resistance is also zero as there will be one path with no resistance and rnet is zero.

Yash Ghaghada - 3 years, 9 months ago

Isn't all this math incoherent, since every path down the tree has an infinite number of resistors in series, therefore an infinite resistance?

Jerry Barrington - 3 years, 8 months ago
Guy Alves
Aug 9, 2017

Set the equivalent resistance to R R . Now, as the tree is infinite, the two trees under the first split have a equivalent resistance of R R as well.

Setting the left resistor's resistance to x x and the right one to y y , we have the following:

1 R = 1 x + R + 1 y + R \frac{1}{R} = \frac{1}{x+R} +\frac{1}{y+R}

Multiplying everything by R R , x + R x+R and y + R y+R , we get ( x + R ) ( y + R ) = R ( x + y + 2 R ) (x+R)(y+R)=R(x+y+2R)

Distributing and cancelling: x y = R 2 R = x y xy=R^{2} \implies \boxed{R=\sqrt{xy}}

Ayon Ghosh
Aug 7, 2017

Take out the initial R x R_{x} and R y R_{y} resistances. Since the circuit is so large it doesn't matter if we take out 2 2 .

(try solving the equation infinity - 2 = ?)

now exactly as novak has described we get a circuit consisting of 2 2 arms the resistance is R + R x R + R_{x} in one arm and R + R y R +R_{y} in another. These are in parallel with each other so,

1 / ( R + R x ) + 1 / ( R + R y ) = 1 / R 1 / (R+ R_{x}) + 1 / (R + R_{y}) = 1 / R . This gives quadratic in R R . Solving we get R 2 = R x R y R^2 = R_{x}R_{y} showing that R R is geometric mean of R x R_{x} and R y R_{y} .


Edit : Sep 7, I have not done electricity in detail yet but Rohit Gupta asked what the result would be if the resistors were all capacitors,And I worked it out and the same result follows : C e q u i v a l e n t 2 C_{equivalent}^2 = = C x C_x C y C_y

Marian P. Gajda
Aug 12, 2017

The given network is an example of an infinite geometric series since there is a constant ratio between the parent nodes and the child nodes. So of course you have to use the geometric mean.

Would the answer be same if we have used capacitors instead of resistors in a similar way?

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 10 months ago

How do you find that the ratio between parent and child node is constant?

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 9 months ago

Rohit Gupta if we had used capacitors the answer would be the same.

Ayon Ghosh - 3 years, 8 months ago

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