Ring and Time Period

A bead of mass m m and charge q q can slide without friction on an insulating thread tied between two diametrically opposite points on a insulating thread tied between two diametrically opposite points on a ring of radius R R made of an insulating material. An amount of positive charge is uniformly distributed on the ring. Find the period of small oscillations of the bead about its equilibrium position. Mass of the beads is negligible as compared to that of the ring.

Details and Assumptions
1) m = 2 m=2
2) Q = 2 Q=2
3) R = 1 R=1
4) ϵ 0 = 1 \epsilon_{0}=1
5) q = 1 q=1


The answer is 31.499.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Sep 13, 2020

Consider the thread to be placed horizontally and the center of the thread is the origin. The bead can slide along the positive X-axis. Let the position of the bead be:

r b = ( x , 0 ) \vec{r}_b = (x,0)

The position of any point on the ring can be parameterised using polar coordinates as such:

r p = ( R cos θ , R sin θ ) \vec{r}_p = (R\cos{\theta},R\sin{\theta})

Let the charge per unit length on the ring be:

λ = Q 2 π R \lambda = \frac{Q}{2 \pi R}

The electrostatic force along the X direction due on the bead due to a ring element is:

d F e = λ R q d θ 4 π ( R cos θ x ( ( R cos θ x ) 2 + R 2 sin 2 θ ) 3 / 2 ) dF_e = -\frac{\lambda R q \ d\theta}{4 \pi}\left(\frac{R\cos{\theta}-x}{\left((R\cos{\theta}-x)^2 + R^2 \sin^2{\theta}\right)^{3/2}}\right) F e = Q q d θ 8 π 2 ( R cos θ x ( R 2 + x 2 2 R x cos θ ) 3 / 2 ) \implies F_e = -\frac{ Q q \ d\theta}{8 \pi^2}\left(\frac{R\cos{\theta}-x}{\left(R^2 + x^2 -2Rx\cos{\theta}\right)^{3/2}}\right)

Now, since we are considering small oscillations, then x x is small, therefore x 2 x^2 can be neglected. This makes the expression:

d F e = Q q d θ 8 π 2 ( R cos θ x ( R 2 2 R x cos θ ) 3 / 2 ) \implies dF_e = -\frac{ Q q \ d\theta}{8 \pi^2}\left(\frac{R\cos{\theta}-x}{\left(R^2 -2Rx\cos{\theta}\right)^{3/2}}\right)

By using binomial expansion approximation of the denominator (try this yourself), we get:

d F e = Q q d θ 8 π 2 R 3 ( R cos θ x ) ( 1 + 3 x cos θ R ) \implies dF_e =-\frac{ Q q \ d\theta}{8 \pi^2 R^3}\left(R\cos{\theta}-x\right)\left(1 + \frac{3x\cos{\theta}}{R}\right)

The total electrostatic force along X is therefore:

F e = 0 2 π Q q d θ 8 π 2 R 3 ( R cos θ x ) ( 1 + 3 x cos θ R ) F_e = \int_{0}^{2 \pi} -\frac{ Q q \ d\theta}{8 \pi^2 R^3}\left(R\cos{\theta}-x\right)\left(1 + \frac{3x\cos{\theta}}{R}\right) F e = Q q x 8 π R 3 \implies F_e = -\frac{ Q q x}{8 \pi R^3}

Applying Newton's second law:

x ¨ = Q q x 8 π m R 3 \ddot{x} = -\frac{ Q q x}{8 \pi m R^3} ω 2 = Q q 8 π m R 3 \implies \omega^2 = -\frac{ Q q}{8 \pi m R^3} T = 2 π 8 π m R 3 Q q \implies T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi m R^3}{Qq}}

Plugging in values:

T = 2 π 8 π \implies \boxed{T = 2 \pi \sqrt{8 \pi}}

@Karan Chatrath Thanks you again rocked.

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

@Karan Chatrath The problem which were talking and you said me show your attempt, I didn't understand one thing that the problem says magnetic field is perpendicular to the velocity of projection of particle at starting , it has many perpendicular directions.
It will be tedious to deal with so many magnetic fields?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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The problem is similar to the one I posted a note on a few days back. If the particle is projected along X, then the magnetic field can with be in the Y or Z directions. If the field is along Y, then the motion will take place only in the X-Z plane and if the field is along Z, then the motion of the particle will be confined to the X-Y plane. Either way, the problem is doable.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months ago
Steven Chase
Sep 14, 2020

I am very impressed by the analytical solution provided by @Karan Chatrath . I will provide a numerical solution. For each time step, the program numerically integrates to find the force. So it is a double integral, with one integral being spatial and the other integral being temporal. This is very computationally inefficient, but it is also very convenient for me. To ensure good results I ran three different cases (time step Δ t \Delta t , number of ring partitions N N , and initial displacement from the ring center x 0 x_0 ).

Trial 1
Δ t = 1 0 3 N = 1 0 4 x 0 = 1 0 2 Calculated period 31.5 \Delta t = 10^{-3} \\ N = 10^4 \\ x_0 = 10^{-2} \\ \text{Calculated period } \approx 31.5

Trial 2
Δ t = 1 2 × 1 0 3 N = 2 × 1 0 4 x 0 = 1 0 2 Calculated period 31.3 \Delta t = \frac{1}{2} \times 10^{-3} \\ N = 2 \times 10^4 \\ x_0 = 10^{-2} \\ \text{Calculated period } \approx 31.3

Trial 3
Δ t = 1 2 × 1 0 3 N = 2 × 1 0 4 x 0 = 2 × 1 0 2 Calculated period 31.4 \Delta t = \frac{1}{2} \times 10^{-3} \\ N = 2 \times 10^4 \\ x_0 = 2 \times 10^{-2} \\ \text{Calculated period } \approx 31.4

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import math

Num = 20000
dt = 0.0005

m = 2.0
Q = 2.0
R = 1.0
e0 = 1.0
q = 1.0

k = 1.0/(4.0*math.pi*e0)

dtheta = 2.0*math.pi/Num
dQ = Q*(dtheta/(2.0*math.pi))

###########################################

t = 0.0
count = 0

y = 0.0

x = 0.02
xd = 0.0
xdd = 0.0

while x >= 0.0:

    x = x + xd*dt
    xd = xd + xdd*dt

    Fx = 0.0
    theta = 0.0

    while theta <= 2.0*math.pi:

        xc = R*math.cos(theta)
        yc = R*math.sin(theta)

        Dx = x - xc
        Dy = y - yc

        D = math.hypot(Dx,Dy)

        ux = Dx/D
        uy = Dy/D

        dF = k*q*dQ/(D**2.0)
        dFx = dF*ux

        Fx = Fx + dFx

        theta = theta + dtheta

    xdd = Fx/m

    t = t + dt
    count = count + 1

    if count % 100 == 0:
        print t,x

print ""
print ""
print dt
print Num
print ""
print t
print (4.0*t)

#############################

#0.001    # x0 = 0.01
#10000

#7.876
#31.504

#############################


#0.0005   # x0 = 0.01
#20000

#7.825
#31.3

#############################

#0.0005    # x0 = 0.02
#20000

#7.8485
#31.394

@Steven Chase Will you come in AOPS website.
Or where would you will post your problems ?? Please reply this is the last time I am asking you

Talulah Riley - 4 days, 15 hours ago

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