RMO practice question 7

Algebra Level 5

Let a , b , c a,b,c be the roots of x 3 9 x 2 + 11 x 1 = 0 x^{3}-9x^{2}+11x-1=0 and ω = a + b + c ω=\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c} , the find the value of ω 4 18 ω 2 8 ω + 40. ω^{4}-18ω^{2}-8ω+40.


The answer is 3.

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2 solutions

Ravi Dwivedi
Sep 9, 2015

Since a , b , c a,b,c are the roots of given equation

By vieta's relations it follows that

a + b + c = 9 a+b+c=9

a b + b c + c a = 11 ab +bc+ca=11

a b c = 1 abc=1

Now given ω = a + b + c ω= \sqrt{a}+ \sqrt{b}+ \sqrt{c}

Squaring both sides we obtain

ω 2 = a + b + c + 2 ( a b + b c + c a ) ω^2=a+b+c+2(\sqrt{ab}+\sqrt{bc}+\sqrt{ca})

ω 2 = 9 + 2 ( 1 c + 1 a + 1 b ) \large ω^2=9+2(\frac{1}{\sqrt{c}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{a}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{b}})

(Using vieta's relations above)

( ω 2 9 ) 2 = 4 ( 1 a + 1 b + 1 c + 2 ( 1 a b + 1 b c + 1 c a ) ) \large (ω^2-9)^2=4(\frac{1}{a}+\frac{1}{b}+\frac{1}{c}+2(\frac{1}{\sqrt{ab}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{bc}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{ca}}))

ω 4 18 ω 2 + 81 = 4 ( a b + b c + c a a b c + 2 ( a + b + c ) ) ω^4-18ω^2+81=4(\frac{ab+bc+ca}{abc}+2(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}))

ω 4 18 ω 2 + 81 = 4 ( 11 1 + 2 ω ) ω^4-18ω^2+81=4(\frac{11}{1}+2ω)

ω 4 18 ω 2 8 ω = 44 81 = 37 ω^4-18ω^2-8ω=44-81=-37

So ω 4 18 ω 2 8 ω + 40 = 3 ω^{4}-18ω^{2}-8ω+40=\boxed{3}

I think you cannot write a × b = a b \sqrt{a} \times \sqrt{b} = \sqrt{ab} until atleast one of a and b is positive or zero. You need to first prove that a a , b b and c c are positive and then proceed with the proof.

Krutarth Patel - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Agreed .Nice observation.I did not at all pay any attention to this while solving the Question :P

Omer Raza - 5 years, 7 months ago
Aareyan Manzoor
Oct 21, 2015

guys. this came to great surprise when my method actually worked. check this https://brilliant.org/discussions/thread/an-easier-way-to-solve-quartics/?ref_id=964870 so basically, P ( x ) = x 4 18 x 2 8 x + 37 P(x)=x^4-18x^2-8x+37 we are looking for p ( ω ) + 3 p(\omega)+3 applying my method : q ( x ) = x 3 + ( 18 2 ) x 2 + ( 1 8 2 4 37 16 ) x 8 2 64 = x 3 9 x 2 + 11 x 1 = 0 q(x)=x^3+(\frac{-18}{2})x^2+(\frac{18^2-4*37}{16})x -\frac{8^2}{64}=x^3-9x^2+11x-1=0 that means p ( ω ) + 3 = 0 + 3 = 3 p(\omega)+3=0+3=\boxed{3}

That's awesome 😃.

Aditya Sky - 4 years, 11 months ago

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