Rolling Sphere on a plank with Pulley

In the figure, a force of 40 N 40\text{ N} is applied on a plank of mass 5 kg . 5 \text{ kg}. A solid sphere of mass 3 kg 3 \text{ kg} rolls without slipping on the plank. The pulley is light and connected to a rigid wall. The surface between the sphere and plank is sufficiently rough such that the sphere rolls. The floor is frictionless.

Find the acceleration ( \big( in m/s 2 ) \text{m/s}^2\big) of the plank.


The answer is 3.125.

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5 solutions

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Dec 25, 2017

The rolling requires a static friction force F f F_f , which acts to the right on the sphere and to the left on the block. However, because of the way the pulley is set up, both friction forces oppose the acceleration of the system. From Newton's Second Law, we have ( M + m ) a = 40 N 2 F f , (M + m)a = \SI{40}{N} - 2F_f, where M M , m m are the mass of the block and the sphere, respectively.

To obtain rolling motion, the rotational acceleration of the sphere must match the linear acceleration relative to the block . This gives α = 2 a r . \alpha = \frac{2a}r. Working out the details of torque due to friction and rotational inertia, F f = τ r = I α r = 2 5 m r 2 2 a / r r = 4 5 m a . F_f = \frac{\tau}r = \frac{I\alpha}r = \frac{\tfrac25mr^2\cdot 2a/r}r = \tfrac45 ma. Thus ( M + m ) a = 40 N 8 5 m a , a = 40 N 5 + 3 + 4.8 kg = 3.125 m / s 2 . (M + m)a = \SI{40}{N} - \tfrac85 ma, \\ a = \frac{\SI{40}{N}}{\SI{5 + 3 + 4.8}{kg}} = \boxed{\SI{3.125}{m/s^2}}.


Analysis of forces

On the 5-kg block act

  • 40 N of pulling force to the right

  • 7.5 N of friction force to the left

  • 16.875 N of tension force to the left

  • for a total net force of 15.625 N to the right.

On the 3-kg block act

  • 7.5 N of friction force to the right

  • 16.875 N of tension force to the left

  • for a total net force of 9.375 N to the left.


Energy analysis

No dissipative forces act on the system; static friction converts translational motion into rotational motion without energy losses. The only external work on the system is the pulling force of 40 N.

Suppose the block (mass M M ) is sliding at speed v v . Then the sphere (mass m m ) has the same speed in opposite direction; its speed relative to the block is 2 v 2v , and the rotation of the sphere satisfies 2 v = r ω 2v = r\omega . Therefore the kinetic energy of the system is K = 1 2 M v 2 + 1 2 m v 2 + 1 2 I ω 2 = 1 2 ( M + 13 5 m ) v 2 . K = \tfrac12Mv^2 + \tfrac12mv^2 + \tfrac12I\omega^2 = \tfrac12(M + \tfrac{13}{5}m)v^2. (The rotational inertia of the sphere is I = 2 5 m r 2 I = \tfrac25mr^2 , so that I ω 2 = 2 5 m r 2 ( 2 v / r ) 2 = 8 5 m v 2 I\omega^2 = \tfrac25mr^2(2v/r)^2 = \tfrac85mv^2 .)

In time d t dt , the 40-N pulling force acts over a distance d x = v d t dx = v\:dt doing d W = F v d t dW = Fv\:dt of work. This is the increase in the system's kinetic energy: d K = d W dK = dW . Thus ( M + 13 5 m ) v d v = F v d t , (M + \tfrac{13}{5}m)v\:dv = Fv\:dt, showing that a = d v d t = F M + 13 5 m = 40 N 5 + 7.8 kg = 3.125 m / s 2 . a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{F}{M + \tfrac{13}5 m} = \frac{\SI{40}{N}}{\SI{5 + 7.8}{kg}} = \boxed{\SI{3.125}{m/s^2}}.

This answer makes the most sense to me.

Elijah Gardi - 3 years, 5 months ago

Why the acceleration of both bodies are same?

Prashant Jhalani - 3 years, 5 months ago

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As long as they are tied on the same string (that cannot stretch) they will accelerate at the same rate. Any force on one object is also acting on the other object tied to it.

Michael Parker - 3 years, 5 months ago

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The first statement is true. The second statement is false. More correctly, equal amounts of tension force pull on the objects on opposite ends of the string. See my analysis of forces at the end of my solution.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 5 months ago

I somehow can’t grasp this at all. Shame on me, I was so good at this in school.

Where do you derive the friction force from? We have 40N pulling a 5kg block. Where do you get the friction from? The floor is frictionless, I thought.

Also strange to me: acceleration sounds to me like something getting faster and faster. (Because of s/t^2). But if I pull something with a constant force (40N), there is no acceleration, only a constant speed (or force) at which something is moved. Or what am I getting wrong here, please?

Steven Rüdisühli - 3 years, 5 months ago

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In order to maintain rolling motion without slipping , there must be a force on the ball acting off-center. The tension force on the ball pulls through its center and cannot create rotation. The rotation is created and maintained by the static friction force between the bottom of the ball and the surface on which it rolls. We know that this happens because the problem states that the top surface of the block is "sufficiently rough".

(You see this effect when you throw a bowling ball without spin. When it lands on the lane, it slides for a while before rolling. The reason is that the smooth floor creates little static friction.)

Due to the static friction force, the system accelerates at a slower rate than it would without the rolling motion. However, no energy is lost; the friction force simply converts some of the translational kinetic energy into rotational kinetic energy. In fact, this problem could be solved using energy methods; I may post this as an alternative solution.

As for your last paragraph: Yes, the system will move faster and faster. If you pull something with a constant force, it will gradually speed up. In practice, this is difficult to accomplish, and friction and air resistance play a role. But the principle is that force causes acceleration , and absence of force maintains constant speed . (Newton's Second and First Laws.)

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 5 months ago

I had a similar answer prepared, but could not add it for some reason.

Since the ball 's center moves to the left and the block is moving to the right, we have ω = 2 v R \omega =\frac{2v}{R}

The moment of inertia of a solid sphere is I = 2 5 m R 2 I=\frac{2}{5}mR^2 .

Combine these to get the rotational energy: 1 2 I ω 2 = 1 2 2 5 m R 2 ( 2 v R ) 2 = 12 5 v 2 \frac{1}{2}I\omega^2= \frac{1}{2} \frac{2}{5}mR^2(\frac{2v}{R})^2 = \frac{12}{5}v^2 , (using m = 3 m=3 , the rotating mass).

Translational energy: 1 2 m v 2 = 4 v 2 \frac{1}{2}mv^2= 4v^2 ,  (using m = 3 + 5 = 8 m=3+5=8 the translating mass).

The sum of these energies is the total energy: E = 32 5 v 2 E=\frac{32}{5}v^2 .

Displacement s = 1 2 a t 2 s=\frac{1}{2}at^2 , and the work done is E = F s = 1 2 F a t 2 E=Fs=\frac{1}{2}Fat^2 .

No energy gets lost, (no work done by friction: we only see slipping without force, and force without slipping) so these must be equal: 32 5 v 2 = 1 2 F a t 2 v 2 = 5 × 40 64 a t 2 = 25 8 a t 2 \frac{32}{5}v^2 =\frac{1}{2}Fat^2 \Rightarrow v^2 = \frac{5×40}{64}at^2= \frac{25}{8}at^2 .

Also, since v = a t v 2 = a 2 t 2 v=at \Rightarrow v^2=a^2t^2 .

Both expressions for v 2 v^2 are equal if a = 25 8 \boxed{a= \frac{25}{8}} .

K T - 2 years, 5 months ago

I have the same question in my workbook but the correct answer it shows is 4.15. I don't know why is it like that and even i got the answer as 3.125 and 3.125 is not even in the options

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 8 months ago

Nice discussion, but From Newton's Second Law, we have 2 equations; for ball and plank. Summing the two and cancelling out the string tension yields your first equation. Maybe you can write it right away by imagining the string stretched in a line or a similar mental operation, but I wouldn't call it a direct implication of the Newton's 2nd law. (M+m) is the mass of the system, but "a" stands for the acceleration of the pulley alone; for the ball, it is obviously -a (in a laboratory reference frame). There is a reverse in x-axis orientation if we want to have positive accelerations for both bodies, though. To me, it is more visible to write separate equations and draw the coordinate systems for ball and plank.

lovro cupic - 1 year, 4 months ago

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Linearizing the problem is not unusual in such cases. If you wish to do the detailed work, you get something like this: m a ball = F f F t , 1 , M a block = 40 N F t , 2 F f . ma_{\text{ball}} = F_f - F_{t,1},\ \ \ \ Ma_{\text{block}} = 40\ \text{N} - F_{t,2} - F_f. The constraints of the string imply that a ball = a block = a -a_{\text{ball}} = a_{\text{block}} = a and F t , 1 = F t , 2 F_{t,1} = F_{t,2} . Now subtract the equations: M a m ( a ) = ( 40 N F t F f ) ( F f F t ) Ma - m(-a) = (40\ \text{N}- F_t - F_f) - (F_f - F_t) ( M + m ) a = 40 N 2 F f . (M+m)a = 40\ \text{N} - 2F_f.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 1 year, 4 months ago

Newton's 2nd law does not say anything about the ball's rotation and moment of inertia. So including that will require more than just two equations, but why not give it a go?

K T - 1 year, 4 months ago

This is not static friction both objects are in motion. The energy of the plank is dissipating.

Sepehr Samiei - 11 months, 1 week ago

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When an object rolls (without slipping), the bottom of the object is instantaneously at rest relative to the surface on which it rolls.

In this ideal situation no energy is dissipated in rolling motion.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 11 months, 1 week ago
Atishay Jain
Dec 24, 2017

T = Tension

f = friction

a = acceleration

p = angular acceleration

The acceleration of block as well as of sphere will be same because they are connected with a single string.

Friction will be acting in backward direction of sphere otherwise the sphere would have slipped.

T f = 3 a T - f = 3a

40 T f = 5 a 40 - T - f = 5a

Let R be the radius of the sphere.

R p a = a R*p - a = a [No slipping condition]

f . R = 2 ( 3 R 2 ) p 5 f.R = \frac{2*(3*R^2)*p}{5} [Torque]

Solving these equations a = 3.125 m / s 2 a = 3.125 m / s^2

why is T-f=3a pls explain

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 5 months ago

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Since F n e t = m a s s a c c e l e r a t i o n c e n t e r o f m a s s F_{net} = mass * acceleration_{center of mass}

So, net force on sphere = T f = m a s s a T - f = mass*a

mass = 3

atishay jain - 3 years, 5 months ago

I have the same question in my workbook but the correct answer it shows is 4.15. I don't know why is it like that and even i got the answer as 3.125 and 3.125 is not even in the options

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 8 months ago

Let's first define some variables as follows:

α \alpha = Angular acceleration of sphere

a a = Acceleration of plank

f f = frictional force

T T = Tension the string

According to the given situation the following equations follow:

α r a = a α r = 2 a \alpha*r-a=a \implies \alpha*r=2a

f r = 2 5 m r 2 α f*r=\dfrac{2}{5}mr^2 \alpha

40 f T = 5 a 40-f-T=5a

T f = 3 a T-f=3a

Solving the above equations we get :

a = 25 8 a=\dfrac{25}{8}

Same way did thism but the main problem is that this is an mcq question with no such option. I guess opts are wrong. What are your veiws?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Good, yesterday I was questioning my sanity when no sphere mass was given

Steven Chase - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Sorry sir, for you discomfort

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 5 months ago

Can u tell me what were the options? May be I can draw some inference from it.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 6 months ago

let acclration of sphere =a acc. Of plank a' and a'' be angular acc. Of sphere . Then a''-a=a'[this is the actual codition of pure rolling]

Mahesh Bagal - 3 years, 5 months ago

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Thank you(^_^)

Asmile Yee - 3 years, 5 months ago

Thank you :)

Victor Santibañez - 3 years, 5 months ago

I have the same question in my workbook but the correct answer it shows is 4.15. I don't know why is it like that and even i got the answer as 3.125 and 3.125 is not even in the options

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 8 months ago
Anton Sokolov
Dec 26, 2017

Let us denote: M = mass of the plank, m = mass of the sphere, F f F_f = frictional force, T = tension of the string, a = acceleration of the plank, R = radius of the sphere, β \beta = rotational acceleration of the sphere.

It is a problem on classical mechanics, so one should use Newton's laws and kinematic equations. We write Newton's second law for each of the bodies and account for the kinematic relation.

  1. The plank: translational motion M a = F T F f Ma = F - T - F_f .

  2. The sphere:

  • translational motion: m a = T F f ma = T - F_f ,

  • rotational motion: 2 5 m R 2 β = F f R \frac{2}{5} m R^2 \beta = F_f R (relative to the horizontal axis through the sphere center), note that we use the expression for the moment of inertia of a solid sphere.

Kinematic relation: 2 a = β R 2a = \beta R , for when one moves the plank to the right by x x , it means that the sphere rolls correspondingly to the left by x x relative to the plank. And here the sphere moves to the left by another x x due to the motion of the string. These 2 x 2x equal the length of the arc α R \alpha R . In order to get the final kinematic relation one has to differentiate this equation twice.

Now we have the four equations with the four unknown variables T , F f , β , a T, F_f, \beta, a . One can easily solve this system of equations and get a = F M + 2.6 m = 3.125 a = \frac{F}{M + 2.6m} = 3.125 .

I have the same question in my workbook but the correct answer it shows is 4.15. I don't know why is it like that and even i got the answer as 3.125 and 3.125 is not even in the options

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 8 months ago
K T
Oct 1, 2019

Since no energy is dissipated, the easiest way is to consider the total kinetic energy. We have E = 1 2 ( m p l a n k + m s p h e r e ) v 2 + 1 2 I ω 2 E=\frac12(m_{plank}+m_{sphere})v^2 +\frac12Iω^2 where I = 2 5 m s p h e r e r 2 I=\frac25m_{sphere} r^2 and ω = 2 v / r ω=2v/r , so that E = 32 5 v 2 E=\frac{32}{5}v^2 This corresponds to the energy E = 1 2 m v 2 E=\frac12mv^2 of an effective mass m e f f = 64 5 m_{eff}= \frac{64}{5} , so that a = F / m e f f = 40 × 5 64 = 25 8 = 3.125 m / s 2 a=F/m_{eff}=40×\frac{5}{64}=\frac{25}{8}=\boxed{3.125} \text{ } m/s^2

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