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Calculus Level 3

Let f ( x ) f(x) be a continuous and differentiable function on [ 0 , 10 ] [0,10] such that f ( 0 ) 0 f(0) \ne 0 and f ( 10 ) = 0 f(10)=0 . We can conclude that there exists c ( 0 , 10 ) c \in (0,10) such that:

c f ( c ) + f ( c ) = k cf'(c)+f(c)=k

What is the value of k k ?


The answer is 0.

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4 solutions

Joseph Newton
May 13, 2021

Let g ( x ) = x f ( x ) g(x)=xf(x) , so that by the product rule g ( x ) = x f ( x ) + f ( x ) g'(x)=xf'(x)+f(x) . We have g ( 0 ) = 0 × f ( 0 ) = 0 g ( 10 ) = 10 × 0 = 0 \begin{aligned}g(0)&=0\times f(0)=0\\ g(10)&=10\times 0=0 \end{aligned} Hence, by Rolle's theorem , there is some stationary point between 0 and 10, i.e. g ( c ) = 0 g'(c)=0 for some c ( 0 , 10 ) c\in(0,10) . Hence, c f ( c ) + f ( c ) = 0 cf'(c)+f(c)=0 and so k = 0 k=0 .

Notice that this is the only guaranteed value of k k : if we take k 0 k\neq0 then a counterexample is f ( x ) = a ( x 10 ) f(x)=a(x-10) for some a a , since g ( x ) = a ( 2 x 10 ) g'(x)=a(2x-10) and we can choose a a small enough so that g ( x ) < k |g'(x)|<|k| on ( 0 , 10 ) (0,10) .

Nice solution, Joseph, thanks!

tom engelsman - 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Nice solution! Just one question - does the fact k = 0 k=0 is the only value which must be attained follow directly from being able to choose g ( x ) > 0 g(x)>0 or g ( x ) < 0 g(x)<0 ? We're interested in the derivative of g ( x ) g(x) which (as you've explained) takes positive and negative values for any g g .

Chris Lewis - 4 weeks, 1 day ago

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That's correct, my mistake! I've edited the solution to have a better counterexample, although it's not as elegant.

Joseph Newton - 4 weeks, 1 day ago

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Well, not as elegant, but it's a solid counterexample. I can't think of an essentially different way to prove uniqueness.

Chris Lewis - 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Nice counter-example! You can choose a = k 20 a=\frac{k}{20} to get around the extra parameter a a :

g ( x ) = k 20 2 x 10 k 20 10 < k |g'(x)|=\frac{|k|}{20}\cdot |2x-10|\leq \frac{|k|}{20}\cdot 10 < |k|

P.S.: Shouldn't it be g ( x ) = a ( 2 x 10 ) g'(x)=a(2x-10) ? Not that it matters, as you take the absolute value in the next step, anyway.

Carsten Meyer - 4 weeks ago

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Yep, making a lot of mistakes today!

Joseph Newton - 4 weeks ago
Tom Engelsman
May 13, 2021

Let f ( 0 ) = N f(0) = N for any nonzero N N . By the Mean-Value Theorem, there exists a point c ( 0 , 10 ) c \in (0,10) such that slope of the tangent line drawn to f ( x ) f(x) at x = c x=c equals the slope of the secant line connecting the endpoints ( x , y ) = ( 0 , N ) (x,y) = (0,N) and ( 10 , 0 ) (10,0) . That is f ( c ) = N 0 0 10 = N 10 \large f'(c) = \frac{N-0}{0-10} = -\frac{N}{10} . Subsituting this value into the given differential equation yields:

c ( N 10 ) + f ( c ) = k f ( c ) = k + N c 10 c(-\frac{N}{10}) + f(c) = k \Rightarrow f(c) = k + \frac{Nc}{10}

Knowing that 0 < f ( c ) < N 0 < f(c) < N , we obtain:

0 < k + N c 10 < N 10 k N < c < ( N k ) ( 10 N ) \large 0 < k + \frac{Nc}{10} < N \Rightarrow -\frac{10k}{N} < c < (N-k)(\frac{10}{N})

and if c ( 0 , 10 ) c \in (0,10) , then we require k = 0 . \boxed{k=0}.

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Agent T - 6 days, 14 hours ago
K T
May 17, 2021

Indeed you're a true math meanie! (Did YOU figure it out?)

Felix Belair
May 15, 2021

I just used y = x + 10 y=-x+10 . I'm a physicist and not a pure mathematician.

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