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12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + . . . = ? \large \sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12 + ...}}}}= \ ?


The answer is 4.

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12 solutions

William Lockhart
Oct 12, 2014

a = 12 + 12 + 12 + . . . a=\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+...}}}

a 2 = 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + . . . a^{2}=12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+...}}}

a 2 = 12 + a a^{2}=12+a

a 2 a 12 = 0 a^{2}-a-12=0

( a 4 ) ( a + 3 ) = 0 (a-4)(a+3)=0

The negative solution will be disregarded since the expression was originally positive.

a = 4 \boxed{a=4}

Easy to understand. Thank you.

Gary Weller - 5 years, 2 months ago

can someone please explain me how we get from the second last step to the last step?

Lauritz Holme - 4 years, 9 months ago

Why did we neglect -3?

Destructo Prime - 4 years, 11 months ago

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Because all numbers are positive you can never add up two numbers which are positive to get the result of a negative number so becuz of that -3 is neglected 😀😆

bander alzahrani - 4 years, 11 months ago
Anik Mandal
Sep 7, 2014

12 + 12 + 12 + . . . . . . \displaystyle \sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+...... }}}

or 12 + x = x \displaystyle \sqrt{12+x}= x

or, 12 + x = x 2 \displaystyle 12+x=x^{2}

or, x 2 x 12 = 0 \displaystyle x^{2}-x-12=0

or, ( x + 3 ) ( x 4 ) = 0 \displaystyle (x+3)(x-4)=0

or, x = 4 \displaystyle x=4

We do not take the negative root of the equation because the terms of the expression are all positive and hence their sum can never be a negative value.

Mahmoud Elshazly
Jun 27, 2015

Nice, but you could've split the middle term of the quadratic eqn. as x^2-x-12=0 => x^2-(4-3)x-12=0 => x^2-4x+3x-12=0 =>x(x-4)+3(x-4)=0 => (x-4)(x+3)=0

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 9 months ago
Carlos Herrera
Jul 29, 2015

Let S S be 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 \sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12…}}}} , so: S 2 = ( 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 ) 2 S^2=(\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12…}}}})^2 S 2 = 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 S^2=12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12…}}}}

\Longrightarrow S 2 = 12 + S S^2=12+S

\Longrightarrow S 2 S 12 = 0 S^2-S-12=0

\Longrightarrow ( S 4 ) ( S + 3 ) = 0 (S-4)(S+3)=0

\Longrightarrow S = 4 S=4 or S = 3 S=-3

We take the positive value 'cause the terms are positive, then their sum is positive

Jud Son
Nov 19, 2014

12 + 12 + 12 + 12..... \sqrt{12 + \sqrt{12+ \sqrt{12+ \sqrt{12.....}}}} = x x

( 12 + 12 + 12 + 12.... (\sqrt{12 + \sqrt{12+ \sqrt{12+ \sqrt{12....}}}} ) 2 ^{2} = x 2 x^{2}

( 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 (12 + \sqrt{12 + \sqrt{12+ \sqrt{12}}} = x 2 x^{2}

( 12 + x ) (12 + x) = x 2 x^{2}

0 = x 2 x^{2} - x x - 12 12

0 = ( x 4 ) ( x + 3 ) (x - 4) (x+3)

Therefore x = 4 x = 4

Antonio Fanari
Oct 14, 2014

12 + 12 + 12 + . . . = 12 + x = x \sqrt {12 + \sqrt {12 + \sqrt {12 +...}}}=\sqrt {12 +x}=x

x 2 x 12 = 0 , x 1 , 2 = 1 ± 1 + 48 2 , x 1 = 4 , x 2 = 3 , x = 4 , x^2-x-12=0,\,x_{1,2}=\frac {1\pm\sqrt{1+48}} 2,\,x_1=4,\,x_2=-3,\,\Rightarrow\, x= 4,\,

because x > 0 x>0

I agree, but I would also like to discuss the weirdness of summing positive values to make non-positive sums. Have you heard about the -1/12 thing?

Sophie Crane - 6 years, 7 months ago
Brian Egedy
Mar 31, 2016

I took a more intuitive approach, which is probably not recommended, but works here. I'm assigning a chain of variables at random, to make the discussion more straightforward.

Starting under the lowest nested radical, we can set

z = 12 z = 12

take the square root of both sides

z = 12 \sqrt{z} = \sqrt{12}

the square root of 12 is between the square roots of 9 and 16,

Thus, 3 < z < 4 3 < \sqrt{z}\ < 4 ;

add 12 to z \sqrt{z} , and call it y y

y = 12 + z y = 12 + \sqrt{z}

y y is greater than 15, but less than 16, so . . .

3 < y < 4 3 < \sqrt{y} < 4

Which is the same inequality as \sqrt{z}\

It's a quick assessment to realize that even if you take it all the way to a = 12 + b . . . a = 12 + \sqrt{b}... , you'll never reach or exceed 4, so the limit of the function is 4.

Mohammad Khaza
Oct 31, 2017

suppose, x = 12 + 12 + 12 + . . . . . x=\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+\sqrt{12+.....}}}

then, x = 12 + x x=\sqrt{12+x}

or, x 2 = 12 + x x^2=12+x

doing middle term we get, x = 4 , 3 x=4,-3

but square root of positive number can not be negative.

so, x = 4 x=4

Leonardo Miranda
Aug 7, 2015

12 + 12 + 12... = S \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12...}}}=S 12 + 12 + 12 + 12... = S + 12 12+ \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12...}}}=S+12 12 + 12 + 12 + 12... = S + 12 \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12+ \sqrt {12...}}}}=\sqrt {S+12} So:

S + 12 = S \sqrt {S+12}=S

S + 12 = S 2 S+12=S^2

S 2 S 12 = 0 S^2-S-12=0

( S + 3 ) ( S 4 ) = 0 (S+3)(S-4)=0

S = 4 S=4

Like Anik Mandal said, we do not take the negative root of the equation because the terms of the expression are all positive and hence their sum can never be a negative value.

Gandoff Tan
Apr 15, 2019

12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + = l e t x 12 + x = x 2 + x = x 2 x 2 x 12 = 0 ( x 4 ) ( x + 3 ) = 0 x = 4 ( x > 0 ) 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + = 4 \begin{aligned} \sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\dots } } } } & \overset { let }{ = } & x \\ \sqrt { 12+x } & = & x \\ 2+x & = & { x }^{ 2 } \\ { x }^{ 2 }-x-12 & = & 0 \\ (x-4)(x+3) & = & 0 \\ x & = & 4\quad (x>0) \\ \sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\sqrt { 12+\dots } } } } & = & \boxed { 4 } \end{aligned}

Betty BellaItalia
Apr 23, 2017

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