What Weird Roots!

Algebra Level 3

If the roots of x 2 + q x + p = 0 x^{2} + qx + p = 0 are 6 + 2 5 \sqrt{6 + 2\sqrt{5}} and 6 2 5 , \sqrt{6 - 2\sqrt{5}}, what is p q ? p - q?

2 2 4 2 5 4 - 2\sqrt{5} 6 6 4 + 2 5 4 + 2\sqrt{5} 6 -6

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2 solutions

Sakanksha Deo
Mar 10, 2015

6 + 2 5 = ( 5 ) 2 + 1 2 + 2 × 1 × 5 = ( 5 + 1 ) 2 = ( 5 + 1 ) \sqrt{ 6 + 2\sqrt{5} } = \sqrt{ ( \sqrt{5} )^{2} + 1^{2} +2\times1\times\sqrt{5} } = \sqrt{ ( \sqrt{5} + 1 )^{2} } = (\sqrt{5} + 1)

6 2 5 = ( 5 ) 2 + 1 2 2 × 1 × 5 = ( 5 1 ) 2 = ( 5 1 ) \sqrt{ 6 - 2\sqrt{5} } = \sqrt{ ( \sqrt{5} )^{2} + 1^{2} -2\times1\times\sqrt{5} } = \sqrt{ ( \sqrt{5} - 1 )^{2} } = (\sqrt{5} - 1)

From Vieta's Formula ,

Sum of roots = q = 5 + 1 + 5 1 = 2 5 -q = \sqrt{5} + 1 + \sqrt{5} - 1 = 2\sqrt{5}

Product of roots = p = ( 5 + 1 ) ( 5 1 ) = 5 1 = 4 p = ( \sqrt{5} + 1 ) ( \sqrt{5} - 1 ) = 5 - 1 = 4

Therefore,

p q = 4 + 2 5 . p - q = 4 + 2\sqrt{5}.

Moderator note:

Yes, one should always consider that the radicals could be simplified.

Damn it!! I took the sum to be =q.. Sob Sob

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Don't worry....such things can happen. What's important, is to learn from your mistakes... Try other questions of my set

Sakanksha Deo - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Yup! Thanks for the motivation.

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 2 months ago

in the second equatio why cant it be 1-√5

Ranjith Vuppala - 4 years, 10 months ago

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1 5 1- \sqrt 5 is negative, and the square root of a negative number is not real. Thus it is taken to be 5 1 \sqrt 5 -1

Mehul Arora - 4 years, 10 months ago
Jason Zou
Jun 30, 2015

p p is the product of the roots. p = ( 6 + 2 5 ) ( 6 2 5 ) = 16 = 4 p=\sqrt{(6+2\sqrt{5})(6-2\sqrt{5})}=\sqrt{16}=4

q -q is the sum of the roots. We have

q 2 = 6 + 2 5 + 6 2 5 + 2 ( 6 + 2 5 ) ( 6 2 5 ) = 12 + 2 p = 20 q^2=6+2\sqrt{5}+6-2\sqrt{5}+2\sqrt{(6+2\sqrt{5})(6-2\sqrt{5})}=12+2p=20

Becuase both roots are positive, the sum of the roots must also be positive, so q = 2 5 -q=2\sqrt{5}

So now we have p q = 4 + 2 5 p-q=\boxed{4+2\sqrt5}

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