Rope between inclines

A rope rests on two platforms which are inclined at an angle θ \theta (which you are free to pick, as shown. The rope has uniform mass density, and its coefficient of friction with the platforms is 1.The system has left right symmetry. What is the largest possible fraction of the rope that does not touch the platforms ?


The answer is 0.172.

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2 solutions

Jimmy Qin
Feb 13, 2015

Let the rope have total length l l , the hanging portion have length x x , the coefficient of static friction be μ \mu . We wish to maximize x / l x/l .

There are 5 forces that act on the rope: 2 normal forces N N , two static friction forces f f , and the gravitational force. The forces balance in horizontal direction due to symmetry. In the vertical direction, 2 N c o s θ + 2 f s i n θ = m g 2Ncos\theta + 2fsin\theta = mg 2 N ( c o s θ + μ s i n θ ) m g 2N(cos\theta + \mu sin\theta)\ge mg .

The normal force comes solely from the portion resting on the platform. The length of rope on either platform is l x 2 \frac{l-x}{2} , so N = l x 2 m l g c o s θ N = \frac{l-x}{2}\frac{m}{l}gcos\theta .

Substituting into inequality, we have x / l 1 ( c o s θ ( c o s θ + μ s i n θ ) ) 1 x/l \le 1- (cos\theta(cos\theta + \mu sin\theta))^{-1} , which has minimum 0.172 \boxed{0.172} at θ = π / 8 \theta = \pi/8 .

Yeah! I took forces in the direction of inclintion of inclined plane! :)

Aniket Sanghi - 4 years, 11 months ago

Man I am getting angle same but answer as 2*(0.172) Help me ..I have assumed 2x instead of x and rest is same😟😕😔😥😖😔

Dhruv Joshi - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Dhruv Joshi - 4 years, 2 months ago
Ajit Athle
Feb 6, 2015

I haven't solved the problem myself. I've, in fact, got the answer from here: https://www.physics.harvard.edu/uploads/files/undergrad/probweek/sol89.pdf

@One Top have some sportive spirit. Try to solve questions on your own, not by getting it from other websites. If you want u may take a bit help from other websites, but not answer. The fun of solving questions on brilliant diminishes. Please do not take this personally.

Aditya Kumar - 6 years ago

If we find the forces of friction on the inclined parts and equate the vertical components of these frictional forces with the total weight, can we solve the question??

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 4 months ago

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