Secret age

Algebra Level 4

My class wants to know my Maths teacher's age, but she doesn't want to reveal it...

So, she wrote this on the board, thinking we would be too lazy to solve it:

lim k n = 0 k ( 3966 3965 ) ( n + log 3966 3965 ( 2 ) ) , \lim _{ k\rightarrow \infty }{ \sum _{ n=0 }^{ k }{ { \left( \frac { 3966 }{ 3965 } \right) }^{ -\left( n+\log _{ \frac { 3966 }{ 3965 } }{ (2) } \right) } } },

and says the value of this is the year she was born.

Assuming that now is the year 2014 and her birthday has passed, what is her age now? (In years) . . . . By the way, you don't need to fetch a calculator for this. Save your effort :D

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The answer is 31.

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5 solutions

Julian Poon
Nov 5, 2014

This is actually a very simple problem in disguise. It can be rewritten as: n = 0 1 2 ( 3966 3965 ) n \sum _{ n=0 }^{ \infty }{ \frac { 1 }{ 2{ \left( \frac { 3966 }{ 3965 } \right) }^{ n } } } This makes the problem a whole lot easier. Let ( S S ) be the year she was born, and ( x x ) be ( 3966 3965 ) \left( \frac { 3966 }{ 3965 } \right) . s = n = 0 1 2 ( x ) n = 1 2 + 1 2 x + 1 2 x 2 . . . s=\sum _{ n=0 }^{ \infty }{ \frac { 1 }{ 2{ \left( x \right) }^{ n } } } =\frac { 1 }{ 2 } +\frac { 1 }{ 2x } +\frac { 1 }{ 2{ x }^{ 2 } } ... s x = 1 2 x + 1 2 x 2 + 1 2 x 3 . . . \frac { s }{ x } =\frac { 1 }{ 2x } +\frac { 1 }{ 2{ x }^{ 2 } } +\frac { 1 }{ 2{ x }^{ 3 } } ... s s x = s ( 1 1 x ) = 1 2 s-\frac { s }{ x } =s\left( 1-\frac { 1 }{ x } \right) =\frac { 1 }{ 2 } s = ( 1 2 ) ( 1 1 x ) = 1 2 ( 1 1 x ) s=\frac { \left( \frac { 1 }{ 2 } \right) }{ \left( 1-\frac { 1 }{ x } \right) } =\frac { 1 }{ 2\left( 1-\frac { 1 }{ x } \right) } Substitute x = ( 3966 3965 ) x=\left( \frac { 3966 }{ 3965 } \right) : s = 1 2 ( 1 3965 3966 ) = 3966 2 = 1983 s=\frac { 1 }{ 2\left( 1-\frac { 3965 }{ 3966 } \right) } =\frac { 3966 }{ 2 } =1983 Since it is the year 2014 2014 , her age is 2014 1983 = 31 2014-1983=\boxed{31}

By the way, in case my Maths teacher decides to get a brilliant account and sees this and tries to kill me, 31 31 isn't her real age.

good problem sir!!!! really worth the time and effort to solve it, it combines three fields of math in a single problem: log math, infinite series and substitution

Somesh Singh - 6 years, 6 months ago

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Thanks Somesh!

Julian Poon - 6 years, 6 months ago

I may just be stupid but i dont get your first step

William Asai - 6 years, 6 months ago

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@William Asai Sorry for the late reply.

x ( n + log x ( 2 ) ) = 1 x n + log x ( 2 ) = 1 x log x ( 2 ) × x n = 1 2 ( x n ) { x }^{ -(n+\log _{ x }{ (2)) } }=\frac { 1 }{ { x }^{ n+\log _{ x }{ (2) } } } =\frac { 1 }{ { x }^{ \log _{ x }{ (2) } }\times{ x }^{ n } } =\frac { 1 }{ 2({ x }^{ n }) }

Julian Poon - 6 years, 6 months ago
Mharfe Micaroz
Nov 16, 2014
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>>>from sympy import summation
>>>i = symbols('i', integer=True)
>>>summation(((3966.0)/(3965))**-(i+log(2.0)/log(3966.0/3965)), (i, 0, oo))
>>>1982.99999999998
>>>2014-1983
>>>31

Python will do the job!:)

Shivang Gupta
Jan 17, 2015

Good! Btw, now its the year 2015 2015 and my new teacher is much older than 31 31 :D

Julian Poon - 6 years, 4 months ago
Saket Sharma
Nov 17, 2014

Assume the given summand as y and let x = 3966/3965.

Thus, x^{-(n + log2(base x))} = y. Take log on both sides and solve. You get y = 0.5x^-n.

Now, the whole thing turns out to be an infinite GP (geometric progression) with common ratio 1/x. Whence, we get the result as x/2(x-1).

Substitute to get the result as 1983.

Hence age = 31 yrs

Breno Linhares
Nov 16, 2014

you can simply transform this sum into a integral, because every Riemann's sum with infinite terms can be written as a integral, like this: lim k 0 k 3966 3965 ( n + log 3966 3965 2 ) d n . \lim_{k\rightarrow \infty} \int_0^k \! \frac{3966}{3965}^{-(n+\log_{\frac{3966}{3965}} 2)} \mathrm{d}n.

then:

0 3966 3965 ( n + log 3966 3965 2 ) d n = 1982.7 \int_0^{\infty} \! \frac{3966}{3965}^{-(n+\log_{\frac{3966}{3965}} 2)} \mathrm{d}n = 1982.7

So, 2014 1982.7 = 31.3 2014-1982.7=31.3

This is fairly accurate due to the fact that the function f ( x ) = 1 2 × 3966 3965 x f(x)=\frac{1}{2\times{\frac{3966}{3965}}^{x}} has a very small gradient from x = 0 x=0 to x = x=\infty . However, it is still not pinpoint-accurate ( 0.3 0.3 off the actual answer). Any ways to make it more accurate?

Julian Poon - 6 years, 6 months ago

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