3D points challenge

Geometry Level 2

The points A A , B B , P P , and Q Q all lie on one line, with A = ( 3 , 5 , 8 ) . A=(-3, 5, 8).

Point P P lies in the x y xy -plane between A A and B B such that the distance from A A to P P is twice the distance from P P to B B . Furthermore, Q Q sits on the z z -axis such that the distance from A A to Q Q is twice the distance from Q Q to B B .

If B = ( x , y , z ) , B=(x,y,z), what is the value of x + y + z ? x+y+z?


The answer is -3.

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2 solutions

Andrew Ellinor
Oct 16, 2015

P ( a , b , 0 ) P(a, b, 0) is the point that cuts the segment A B AB two-thirds of the way from A A to B B . Let's construct the vector A B = x + 3 , y 5 , z 8 \vec{AB} = \langle x + 3, y - 5, z - 8 \rangle . Two-thirds of this vector added to A A will give us P P from which we can easily deduce z z :

2 3 x + 3 , y 5 , z 8 + ( 3 , 5 , 8 ) = ( a , b , 0 ) z = 4 \frac{2}{3}\langle x + 3, y - 5, z - 8 \rangle + (-3, 5, 8) = (a, b, 0) \longrightarrow z = -4

In a similar fashion, Q ( 0 , 0 , c ) Q(0, 0, c) is the point for which A A is twice the vector Q B \vec{QB} added to Q Q . We have that Q B = x , y , z c \vec{QB} = \langle x, y, z - c \rangle . From this we can easily deduce x x and y y :

2 x , y , z c + ( 0 , 0 , c ) = ( 3 , 5 , 8 ) x = 1.5 , y = 2.5 2\langle x, y, z - c \rangle + (0, 0, c) = (-3, 5, 8) \longrightarrow x = -1.5, y = 2.5

Therefore, x + y + z = 1.5 + 2.5 4 = 3 x + y + z = -1.5 + 2.5 - 4 = -3 .

I tried this a little differently and got the wrong answer.

A P = 2 P B \overrightarrow{AP}=2\overrightarrow{PB}

A P = < a + 3 , b 5 , 8 > \overrightarrow{AP}=<a+3,b-5,-8>

P B = < x a , y b , z > \overrightarrow{PB}=<x-a,y-b,z>

< a + 3 , b 5 , 8 > = 2 < x a , y b , z > <a+3,b-5,-8>=2<x-a,y-b,z>

which yields, amongst other things, that z = 4 \boxed{z=-4}

Along the same line of thinking...

A Q = 2 Q B \overrightarrow{AQ}=2\overrightarrow{QB}

A Q = < 3 , 5 , c 8 > \overrightarrow{AQ}=<3,-5,c-8>

Q B = < x , y , z c > \overrightarrow{QB}=<x,y,z-c>

< 3 , 5 , c 8 > = 2 < x , y , z c > <3,-5,c-8>=2<x,y,z-c>

This implies that x = 3 2 x=\frac {3}{2} and y = 5 2 y=-\frac {5}{2}

Obviously subtracting Q Q from A A instead of the other way around for A Q \overrightarrow{AQ} would solve the problem, but any idea why I would do that, or if I shouldn't, what exactly I did do wrong?

Thanks

Rocco Tenaglia - 5 years, 4 months ago

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in your solution u assumed A, B, and G are collinear correct? i don't any implication of that in the problem though?!?!

Willia Chang - 4 years, 11 months ago

I get -5 as answer

Divyayan Dey - 4 years, 4 months ago
Laurent Shorts
Feb 19, 2017

A P z = 8 A B z = 3 2 ( 8 ) = 12 B ( x , y , 8 12 ) = ( x , y , 4 ) \vec{AP}_z=-8\implies\vec{AB}_z=\frac32·(-8)=-12\implies B(x,y,8-12)=(x,y,-4) .

B B is the middle of the segment from Q ( 0 , 0 , ? ) Q(0,0,?) to A ( 3 , 5 , 8 ) A(-3,5,8) , so its coordinates are B ( 0 + ( 3 ) 2 , 0 + 5 2 , 4 ) = ( 3 2 , 5 2 , 4 ) B(\frac{0+(-3)}2,\frac{0+5}2,-4)=(\frac{-3}2,\frac52,-4) .

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