Self-referential quadratic equation

Algebra Level 2

I have written a quadratic equation with non-zero integer roots.
The sum of roots of this equation is equal to the answer to this question.

What is the product of roots of this same equation?


The answer is 4.

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2 solutions

Shourya Pandey
May 21, 2017

Let a a and b b be the integer roots to the equation. Then the answer A A to this question is the sum of the roots, but it is also equal to the product of the roots. Therefore

a b = A = a + b ab = A = a+b

( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1 (a-1)(b-1)=1 , so

a 1 = b 1 = 1 a-1=b-1=1 or a 1 = b 1 = 1 a-1=b-1=-1 . So

( a , b ) = ( 2 , 2 ) , ( 0 , 0 ) (a,b)=(2,2) , (0,0) , but the roots are non-zero. So a = b = 2 a=b=2 , and A = 4 \boxed{A=4} .

@Shourya Pandey Very well! 👍

Toshit Jain - 4 years ago

How do you infer that the product is A?

Kevin Glentworth - 4 years ago

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Because the question asked is to find the product of roots of the equation.

Shourya Pandey - 4 years ago

how do you infer from ab = a + b that (a -1) + (b - 1) = 1

sakis kokos - 3 years, 12 months ago

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Because 0 = a b a b = a ( b 1 ) b = a ( b 1 ) ( b 1 ) 1 = ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) 1 0= ab-a-b = a(b-1)- b = a(b-1)-(b-1)-1 = (a-1)(b-1)-1 , so ( a 1 ) ( b 1 ) = 1 (a-1)(b-1)=1 .

Shourya Pandey - 3 years, 12 months ago
Angel Ong
May 24, 2017

The answer will be the product of the two roots and the second line tells us that the sum of the roots is equal to the answer, meaning the sum is equal to the product and thus we can find out that it is either 0 or 2 on BOTH roots(the roots are the same). We are also given that it is non-zero, so we know that it is 2. From there, we can find out the answer - 2 times 2 is 4.

... and thus we can find out that it is either 0 or 2 on BOTH roots(the roots are the same).

How do you know that it's either 0 or 2 only? Why can't it be some other number?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years ago

Because the sum of the roots is equal to the product of the roots, we get that n^2 = 2n so n x n=2n and this can be solved as n(n-2)=0 which give 0 and 2.

Angel ONG - 4 years ago

This is assuming the roots are the same. For any roots that are DIFFERENT, it would not have a product equal to the sum.

Angel ONG - 4 years ago

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You didn't answer my question: How do you know it's either 0 or 2 only?

You didn't prove that it can't be any other number, but you just repeated the line of "Yeah, because sum = product"

Pi Han Goh - 4 years ago

The roots are the same. Let this root be n. Because the sum and product are equal, we have n^2 = 2n. This can be solved as

n^2 - 2n = 0 n(n-2) = 0 n = 0, 2

Thus the roots are either both 0 or both 2.

Angel ONG - 4 years ago

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